Frustration Thread

[cincycpaw]

Originally Posted by WAITE HOYT 2

Oh and Cincy when a company fails more times then not the CEO still walks away with his Golden Parachute.

Thankfully Mick has a contract.

[cincycpaw]

Originally Posted by WAITE HOYT 2

Not trying to exonerate Mick but the players had a hand in that loss as well.

Certainly. But they were also put in certain positions by their coach and he recruited them.

Their is only 1 constant in the last 8 years of tournament with really only very little success - the coaching staff.

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Originally Posted by cincycpaw

Certainly. But they were also put in certain positions by their coach and he recruited them.

Their is only 1 constant in the last 8 years of tournament with really only very little success - the coaching staff.

I understand that but I have watched that replay twice now. 12 of our last 15 shots were jumpers. Evans was killing them going to the basket . We missed wide open shots, Missed lay ups did not drive the ball to the basket. Cumberland's foul was a brain cramp on his part. I know Mick is the head man in charge but there is only so much he can do. Blowing a 22 point lead is not only his screw up its on the players. I believe I could get 5 guys posting on this site and we could close that game out better then they did.

I also agree his record in the Dance is terrible. I think it is a mental obstacle for him now. I have posted this a few times I really think Mick should move on. They won't fire him but if I'm him I am telling my agent that I will listen to other jobs. I don't think he would have a problem finding work. I think he has done a good job here and I respect his efforts but I think him and the University would benefit from him moving on.

[cincycpaw]

Originally Posted by WAITE HOYT 2

I understand that but I have watched that replay twice now. 12 of our last 15 shots were jumpers. Evans was killing them going to the basket . We missed wide open shots, Missed lay ups did not drive the ball to the basket. Cumberland's foul was a brain cramp on his part. I know Mick is the head man in charge but there is only so much he can do. Blowing a 22 point lead is not only his screw up its on the players. I believe I could get 5 guys posting on this site and we could close that game out better then they did.

I also agree his record in the Dance is terrible. I think it is a mental obstacle for him now. I have posted this a few times I really think Mick should move on. They won't fire him but if I'm him I am telling my agent that I will listen to other jobs. I don't think he would have a problem finding work. I think he has done a good job here and I respect his efforts but I think him and the University would benefit from him moving on.

Yes, but how does a coach let his players shoot 12 jumpers?

Anyhow, I just want him to grow as a coach and I haven't seen it, so I'm concerned. He is certainly solid...but at a Non-P5 school like we have solid isn't good enough unless you are happy winning 1 conference championship a decade, having a clean program, playing in the NCAA tournament every year but eliminated the 1st weekend. It feels like groundhog day.

Then each off season Mick talks about playing faster, pressing. And the pundits talk about how much we are improved offensively. And then we don't play fast and our offense remains a liability too often. I'm frustrated that it's the same over and over and over. I believe we need a change. That change can be:

1) Magically get into a better conference
2) Mick and coaches grow and change styles a bit
3) Shake up the assistant coaching staff
4) Get rid of Mick

We've already improved the facilities. This offseason if #1 or #2 doesn't happen then #3 or #4 should happen next offseason. Just my opinion, I know there is risk. And to be honest I really just want Mick to tweak his coaching because he has proven to be solid. BUt I really doubt that will happen.

[M64W]

Over a period of time, coaches grow into the coach they are. From the time they are a player, son of a coach, assistant coach at different levels, film guy, head coach at different levels, etc, they become who they are in philosophy, offense, defense, recruiting....
Mick is who he is--he is not going to change---you can talk about changing, but real change is not going to happen!

[cincyguy13]

Originally Posted by WAITE HOYT 2

Jake he coaches to what he perceives is the strength of his players. Other then the Tourney his results have been good. I guess he could try to attract different players but I do not know enough about that process to offer a opinion. I know he judges talent very well. Why he can't get hem to come to UC has been beat to death. This years squad was put together very well. He won the league and the conference. Was a 2 seed. vA lost and a clear path was there to go to the final 8 or better. We blew a 22 point lead. I really don't have any answers. They are not going to fire him and I really don't know if that is the answer. As Chad mentioned he would get hired in a heartbeat if we let him go. This is a tough job. A program with a rich tradition who' s fan base expects big time results in a system that has less then favorable conditions as we currently stand. If I'm Mick I am telling my agent to float my name. I really think he has only one way to go and that is down. He is probably as hot as he is ever going to be coaching at Cincinnati. For whatever reason he can not attract the kind of recruit that the UC fan base wants and expects which would put him over the top. Might be time for both parties to go their separate ways.

how is this a tough job? because people want to win in the tournament? he never gets ask a tough question. If he does, he acts like it's a crime. He still has great job security after 1 sweet 16 in 12 years. he gets paid well. I think most fans are more than fair with him. not one person expects to be title contenders every year. most said 1 sweet 16 every couple years. Is that a tough job?

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Originally Posted by cincyguy13

how is this a tough job? because people want to win in the tournament? he never gets ask a tough question. If he does, he acts like it's a crime. He still has great job security after 1 sweet 16 in 12 years. he gets paid well. I think most fans are more than fair with him. not one person expects to be title contenders every year. most said 1 sweet 16 every couple years. Is that a tough job?

Yes getting to a sweet 16 every couple of years in a non p-5 conference is a tough job.

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Originally Posted by cincycpaw

Yes, but how does a coach let his players shoot 12 jumpers?

Anyhow, I just want him to grow as a coach and I haven't seen it, so I'm concerned. He is certainly solid...but at a Non-P5 school like we have solid isn't good enough unless you are happy winning 1 conference championship a decade, having a clean program, playing in the NCAA tournament every year but eliminated the 1st weekend. It feels like groundhog day.

Then each off season Mick talks about playing faster, pressing. And the pundits talk about how much we are improved offensively. And then we don't play fast and our offense remains a liability too often. I'm frustrated that it's the same over and over and over. I believe we need a change. That change can be:

1) Magically get into a better conference
2) Mick and coaches grow and change styles a bit
3) Shake up the assistant coaching staff
4) Get rid of Mick

We've already improved the facilities. This offseason if #1 or #2 doesn't happen then #3 or #4 should happen next offseason. Just my opinion, I know there is risk. And to be honest I really just want Mick to tweak his coaching because he has proven to be solid. BUt I really doubt that will happen.

What should he have done tackle them. How about the turn overs? The team played terrible as well.

[waterhead]

Originally Posted by WAITE HOYT 2

What should he have done tackle them. How about the turn overs? The team played terrible as well.

Someone needed to calm them down. There was nothing calm about Cronin on the sidelines...it screamed panic. His choice to keep Cumberland in tells me just how much panic he was feeling. I can't recall a scenario where he had done that before. It was a panic mistake.

The team was acting like the coach on the sideline. They were taking shots they wouldn't normally take and Cronin was making decisions he wouldn't normally make.

If Cronin learns anything from this game...IMO...it would be to remain calm. He choked and the team choked with him. He needs to handle those situations better if he is going to get past it.

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Originally Posted by waterhead

Someone needed to calm them down. There was nothing calm about Cronin on the sidelines...it screamed panic. His choice to keep Cumberland in tells me just how much panic he was feeling. I can't recall a scenario where he had done that before. It was a panic mistake.

The team was acting like the coach on the sideline. They were taking shots they wouldn't normally take and Cronin was making decisions he wouldn't normally make.

If Cronin learns anything from this game...IMO...it would be to remain calm. He choked and the team choked with him. He needs to handle those situations better if he is going to get past it.

A fair assessment. As I said in previous post I will not exonerate Mick. I’m my mind he could have done a better job. That still doesn’t let the team off the hook. You don’t lose a 22 point lead with 11 minutes to go without it being a total breakdown.