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Old 01-14-2018, 09:35 PM   #201
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Yeah it's very clear that it's meant to demonstrate what might be needed in a loser goes home.
Why are we talking about loser go home games in the middle of January though ?

We haven’t even played half our conference games and we’re talking about strategy for a lose or go home game?

When that day comes, we can talk about playing cane that long ( and I might agree, but that’s a lot regardless) until then we are talking a player starting vs not starting.

When you have a team that goes 9 deep like we do, l
It’s less about starting and more about game management through different roles of players.

Jenifer’s role when he starts: don’t shoot unless you have to, feed the post, play hounding defense

Canes role: score, ignite the offense, take advantage of the other teams subs being inferior, push the pace

Tre Scott: energy guy, deflections, rebounds, effort

Etc
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Old 01-14-2018, 09:38 PM   #202
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What is Broome's season high in minutes? And he's max 30 minutes if he sat 4 minutes each half and played the entire 2nd half. Unrealistic to think he would just come in and play straight through. He'd at least need a 2 minute break at some point.

and they say we dont understand basketball
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Old 01-14-2018, 09:40 PM   #203
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Canes role: score, ignite the offense, take advantage of the other teams subs being inferior, push the pace
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Old 01-14-2018, 09:40 PM   #204
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Why are we talking about loser go home games in the middle of January though ?

We haven’t even played half our conference games and we’re talking about strategy for a lose or go home game?

When that day comes, we can talk about playing cane that long ( and I might agree, but that’s a lot regardless) until then we are talking a player starting vs not starting.

When you have a team that goes 9 deep like we do, l
It’s less about starting and more about game management through different roles of players.

Jenifer’s role when he starts: don’t shoot unless you have to, feed the post, play hounding defense

Canes role: score, ignite the offense, take advantage of the other teams subs being inferior, push the pace

Tre Scott: energy guy, deflections, rebounds, effort

Etc
I think people just want us to get used to situations we might see down the road. And have our best unit prepared and comfortable playing together...which is something that would need to be happening now. Like I said though, I'm not gonna freak out about it (until it burns us).
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Old 01-14-2018, 09:45 PM   #205
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What is Broome's season high in minutes? And he's max 30 minutes if he sat 4 minutes each half and played the entire 2nd half. Unrealistic to think he would just come in and play straight through. He'd at least need a 2 minute break at some point.
Dude what are we even talking about????

If Jenifer sucks after 2 minutes, you can sub at a time out and cane could play 38 minutes.

Holy crap. This argument is getting so stupid.

You guys are acting like when a guy starts, he can’t be subbed out and that mick just has to watch his team get crushed until a media time out where he can finally call in reinforcements.

That is not the way it works.

Guys; the guy who lit us up from USF last night, guess where he came from ? The bench.

He played 30 minutes. Off the bench. Because he had a good game.
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What is Broome's season high in minutes? And he's max 30 minutes if he sat 4 minutes each half and played the entire 2nd half. Unrealistic to think he would just come in and play straight through. He'd at least need a 2 minute break at some point.
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Old 01-14-2018, 09:51 PM   #207
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Why are we talking about loser go home games in the middle of January though ?

We haven’t even played half our conference games and we’re talking about strategy for a lose or go home game?

When that day comes, we can talk about playing cane that long ( and I might agree, but that’s a lot regardless) until then we are talking a player starting vs not starting.

When you have a team that goes 9 deep like we do, l
It’s less about starting and more about game management through different roles of players.

Jenifer’s role when he starts: don’t shoot unless you have to, feed the post, play hounding defense

Canes role: score, ignite the offense, take advantage of the other teams subs being inferior, push the pace

Tre Scott: energy guy, deflections, rebounds, effort

Etc
The way you talked about the OOC SOS I thought every game from Florida on out was of utmost importance to win.

Is each game not as important as you were making it seem? If they are all important then any close game doesn't have to be lose or go home...it just has to be important to use our best players for as long as possible.
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Old 01-14-2018, 10:05 PM   #208
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Here is a stat that sticks out to me and why Jenifer starts the game with our 4 best players:
% shot
Washington: 25.3%
Evans: 22.4%
Clark: 21.4%
Cumberland: 24.2%


Now look at our 2 PG:
Jenifer: 14.9
Broome: 21.2

Jenifer is in the lineup with those guys because he is a non scorer and will just feed these guys. Cane couldnt start and maintain his current usage rate. His either goes down or it comes at the expense of Evans or Clark, who you want shooting.

Off the bench and in the game with more low usage guys, cane can play his game.

I look at those numbers and it makes perfect sense to me. Cane is the better player and mick knows it and his strategy is built around getting his better play the most usuage in parts of the game where we might other wise be lacking in offense.


Again, I’d love Cane Broome to start. But I totally get why he doesn’t and it has nothing to do with his abilities but more so with strategy.

Either way I’m done talking about it.
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Old 01-14-2018, 10:09 PM   #209
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The way you talked about the OOC SOS I thought every game from Florida on out was of utmost importance to win.

Is each game not as important as you were making it seem? If they are all important then any close game doesn't have to be lose or go home...it just has to be important to use our best players for as long as possible.

Every game is important. Our current strategy is working though. We destroyed SMU and cane still had a bum ankle. We couldn’t play cane against temple so it’s a moot point.

I just cannot think of a single game this year where mick mishandled the use of cane to our detriment. I mean can you?

You guys act like in game strategy can’t be changed on the fly.
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Old 01-15-2018, 08:38 AM   #210
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The way you talked about the OOC SOS I thought every game from Florida on out was of utmost importance to win.

Is each game not as important as you were making it seem? If they are all important then any close game doesn't have to be lose or go home...it just has to be important to use our best players for as long as possible.
He is coaching, not dividing up game minutes. He has a role for Cane. You may not like it or agree with it but that is a fact. Coach sees a much bigger need for Cane coming off the bench and filling different roles. We have been very successful to this point. If he feels the need to change it I'm sure he will.
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