NCAA seeds all about $$

WAITE HOYT 2 · 03-02-2017, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonS

Come on. Don't be naive. You don't think the CFP teams are chosen as a result of getting viewership as high as possible? Huge fans of College Football would watch regardless. They are trying to gain viewers from the casual fans. That's why Ohio State was in over Penn State. The same thing happens in college hoops. There just happens to be 68 teams that get invited. They have to follow rules as to where they put teams but there is enough wiggle room that they can manipulate the bracket to interest casual fans. It happens every year. It will this year too. And like I said, I'm fine with it.

Not naïve at all. Of course it happens. That is the point Mick is making. Personally I really don't think trying to max out earning potential is a reason to seed teams. You are charged huge prices for tickets, concessions are way over priced. Sports are on a very slippery slope as it is with regard to creating equal playing fields. Be careful what you are OK with!

WAITE HOYT 2 · 03-02-2017, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by UCalum08

Isn't it funny (not really) that all year, everyone uses all these complex matrices, seedings, formulas, etc to predetermine seedings and rankings. Then when it's actually time to seed the field, human nature takes, biases, and greed take over and essentially analytics goes out the window.

Yes they use matrices to seed teams but the committee really sets the matchups. Shouldn't they use one of the formulas that basically ranks the team's and place those teams on theIraq respected line. I guess that would be near impossible because we would have a lot of same conference teams playing earlier and there is not one true matrix the committee uses. Interesting to think about.

They do have the means to manipulate the selection process.

eric3287 · 03-02-2017, 08:20 AM

I'm probably easier on Mick than some, possibly because we are both Lancers, but the part about the NCAA seeding seemed less whining and more just answering a question. I believe he was asked what he thought this Houston game means in terms of NCAA seeding. He could have given more of the standard "coach" answer and just said, "We're just worrying about winning each game and we'll let the seeds fall where they may." I think that part of the answer was understood.

I don't know enough about how Maui chooses its participants to know whether that was whining or fair criticism. Looking at the teams that play in it, it's not just a collection of Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky every year. They haven't had as many second weekend runs as we'd all like to see, but they're "worst loss" in the tournament was probably the Harvard loss, and that Harvard team was 32 in KenPom and got a 12 seed. (For reference, UC was 31 in Kenpom the year they got the 6 seed and went to the Sweet 16, and 32 last year as a 9 seed). Maybe Maui places more emphasis on occasional Sweet 16s and Elite 8s than consistently winning 22+ games and making the NCAA tournament. If so, fair enough. Make a couple runs and get your invitation.

Patrick Bateman · 03-02-2017, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat_NTS

I don't think you understand the definition of the word fact.

What is the answer to 99 out of 100 questions

jacobkdoyle · 03-02-2017, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonS

Come on. Don't be naive. You don't think the CFP teams are chosen as a result of getting viewership as high as possible? Huge fans of College Football would watch regardless. They are trying to gain viewers from the casual fans. That's why Ohio State was in over Penn State. The same thing happens in college hoops. There just happens to be 68 teams that get invited. They have to follow rules as to where they put teams but there is enough wiggle room that they can manipulate the bracket to interest casual fans. It happens every year. It will this year too. And like I said, I'm fine with it.

Penn State didn't get in bc they had 2 losses, one of which was by over 30.

**waterhead** · 03-02-2017, 09:24 AM

I watched the interview and it didn't seem all that "whiny" to me. I have heard Cronin whine (a lot) before about refs etc...but this didn't have the same vibe.

I just hope we can win on senior night and close out this season undefeated at home!! That would be huge. I wonder how many seniors get to even attempt that feat?

jacobkdoyle · 03-02-2017, 09:32 AM

They definitely set up matchups people would want to see. Undefeated Wichita State vs Kentucky in the 2nd round in a perfect example. They also matched up Wichita and KU one year in the 2nd round. Stuff like that happens all the time.

Bearcat_NTS · 03-02-2017, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jacobkdoyle

They definitely set up matchups people would want to see. Undefeated Wichita State vs Kentucky in the 2nd round in a perfect example. They also matched up Wichita and KU one year in the 2nd round. Stuff like that happens all the time.

Sad to see you've bought into the fake news

jacobkdoyle · 03-02-2017, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by waterhead

I watched the interview and it didn't seem all that "whiny" to me. I have heard Cronin whine (a lot) before about refs etc...but this didn't have the same vibe.

I just hope we can win on senior night and close out this season undefeated at home!! That would be huge. I wonder how many seniors get to even attempt that feat?

I'm really hoping Johnson and Caupain hand down the 2nd longest home win streak in the country. Would be a hell of a mark to leave. No season ticket holder seeing a single loss all season? Can't beat that.

jacobkdoyle · 03-02-2017, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat_NTS

Sad to see you've bought into the fake news

I don't really care that much about the topic but I'd have a hard time believing they never do it.

03-02-2017, 08:20 AM	#33
eric3287 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 18	I'm probably easier on Mick than some, possibly because we are both Lancers, but the part about the NCAA seeding seemed less whining and more just answering a question. I believe he was asked what he thought this Houston game means in terms of NCAA seeding. He could have given more of the standard "coach" answer and just said, "We're just worrying about winning each game and we'll let the seeds fall where they may." I think that part of the answer was understood. I don't know enough about how Maui chooses its participants to know whether that was whining or fair criticism. Looking at the teams that play in it, it's not just a collection of Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky every year. They haven't had as many second weekend runs as we'd all like to see, but they're "worst loss" in the tournament was probably the Harvard loss, and that Harvard team was 32 in KenPom and got a 12 seed. (For reference, UC was 31 in Kenpom the year they got the 6 seed and went to the Sweet 16, and 32 last year as a 9 seed). Maybe Maui places more emphasis on occasional Sweet 16s and Elite 8s than consistently winning 22+ games and making the NCAA tournament. If so, fair enough. Make a couple runs and get your invitation.

03-02-2017, 09:24 AM	#36
waterhead Senior Moderator Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 9,298	I watched the interview and it didn't seem all that "whiny" to me. I have heard Cronin whine (a lot) before about refs etc...but this didn't have the same vibe. I just hope we can win on senior night and close out this season undefeated at home!! That would be huge. I wonder how many seniors get to even attempt that feat?

03-02-2017, 09:32 AM	#37
jacobkdoyle Epic Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 17,011	They definitely set up matchups people would want to see. Undefeated Wichita State vs Kentucky in the 2nd round in a perfect example. They also matched up Wichita and KU one year in the 2nd round. Stuff like that happens all the time.