2021-22 Roster
An extremely weird year. A lot of speculation about how many open spots we will have for recruits. The short answer is a lot. Hopefully it's not too many more than that. Damn near the entire roster has been speculated about.
Some almost sure outs... Williams Harvey Rap Reason to think... Vogt Dou Gabe (and if Gabe maybe Mason) DD Tari Davenport (because apparently one guy heard something) Leaving us with the no speculation heard so far crowd... Mikey MAW Lakhin The max is 9 here with no transfers leaving 4 spots (actually 5 if Vogt doesn't count against). Seems like Dou leaving rumors could make some sense. Who knows on the opt outs Gabe and DD but seems DD likely to come back. I would hope Gabe seeing his twin getting some good run will bring him back. Tari has questionable body language at times and shows a lot of frustration but I hope he sees the potential at the 4. Listening to JD I would count him in. Hoping to see at least this Lakhin Tari Davenport Gabe Mason MAW DD Mikey Over-Under at 8 roster spots filled give or take 2? |
The crazy thing here is that after only 2 years we could see every single Cronin hold over gone. Keith and Dou are all that is left. I can't see any chance of Williams coming back and the odds for Dou are probably less than 50% (from rumors). That is an insane roster turnover.
Add to that Sorolla, Rap and Harvey also abandoned ship. That will be 11 Cronin players out and 3 Brannen players totaling 1 more than a full roster turnover in 2 years. And that is only if no more Brannen players leave early. For program sake, CJB sake, and all of our mental health I am hoping the turnover trend stops here. |
I'd probably take the push at 8 returnees, but if I'm forced to take a harder stance, I'd probably take the under at 7.
DD Mikey JD Mason MAW all seem very likely to return from my perspective Tari Lahkin Gabe I think one of these 3 will probably end up closer to home next season. I can't see a good reason for any of the other 5 to return. |
I think there is a 75+% one of vogt/diarra return. Definitely not both. Vogt has the same pro prospects as he did last year and he came back last year. If vogt doesn't come back and we don't get an instant impact transfer- which I would bet we don't - diarra would be starter by default and that would probably bring him back.
JD was Harvey's close friend/workout buddy this summer, that's where the rumor comes from. Not that it necessarily means anything. I give 50+% chance at least one of Eason, Gabe or a surprise transfer leaves. |
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Unless the prospects of earning a living overseas (as an average college basketball player) have completely dwindled due to the pandemic or he has an aversion to leaving the county, it would make sense to try and take advantage of a professional pay day abroad at the earliest opportunity. He obviously isn't NBA/G-League quality at the moment, so if that's his goal, I guess another year at UC would put him closer to that, but just based on how this year went for him on the court, it's hard for me to see him returning to a team that did not do anything positive for his development this past season. |
I did laugh that you put Rap on the list lol...
I don't see vogt returning, dou returning or harvey returning. Would really like to see Gabe return and tari stay. I'd be okay if dou returned. Dd will be back. Which solidifies the pg spot with him and sanders. Maw can fill in there as well. Harvey was in prime spot to see some minutes, kind of a shame there. We need to find a wing and some bigs. |
We can still find a serviceable freshman for this class. Brannen didn't get here until April his first year and still brought in MAW, Davenport, and Harvey in that first class. There is still time for this class to be ok.
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I'd really like to see us get Bryson Spell. He's not a high recruit by any means but it looks like he just kept getting better and better. 6'9 dead eye shooter thats a true stretch 4. Have Eason watch tape of Obi from last season and lets get it. |
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Would Love to see Keith comeback, and up his worth. Of course it looks like John wants him gone from his sideline gestures when Keith has the ball. Of course Keith's whiny disposition doesn't do him any favors.
If he did stay that would be a win for the program (for a year) just my opinion. Keith has got some shi- to work on. Just a thought |
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In the postgame Brannen talked about how ball movement is much quicker with the young guys compared to the upperclassmen, and that's how he wants his team to play. Not much of an endorsement for Keith. |
I dont think we can really afford another year of 30.1 usage rate with a 94 ORTG out of any player.
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Keith could go overseas and make a very good living. |
If Keith came back, improves a little, best case scenario he sneaks in as a late 2nd pick. He’d be 23. I don’t think there’s any reason for he to return.
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I agree, but how do you tell a guy to come back for a 5th year, and oh btw, we need to take the ball out of your hands too. |
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He will go overseas and make money. He ain't coming back. No clue why that would even be considered. |
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It's going to be tough for a guard that can't shoot to break into any decent league. I think he might be better off jump starting his pro career if he learns to shoot first. I don't think it will happen, but that would be the rationale. |
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Shaq wasn't great, but he's doing what he can. I would guess he's making 2-3 thousand a month in his 5th pro year. I hope he's happy there. People can still be happy without big money. I don't think Keith is much better than Shaq, so I don't think his pro career will amount to much either. But he has a chance to make himself a little more valuable if he wants. Low level pro basketball is a grind with not much reward. I just wonder if some guys might prefer another year working on their game in college before going into that. |
There's a reason players generally don't leave early to go play in Europe. If they're not good enough to land a spot on a top tier team, they aren't going to earn much more than the cost of living. So it's not like they're squandering a year of earning potential by staying in college.
If Keith leaves, he is leaving early. He would be choosing to go pro and forego a scholarship. That's very rare for players that don't have NBA aspirations, unless they want to live in Europe (like Rap). |
You need pay to get Keith, gabe, and Harvey back. Then add another wing or PG with a couple rim protectors
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My prediction of who will be back
Lahkin Eason Davenport M Madsen Adams Woods Dejulius Saunders Questionable G Madsen - who knows how he's dealing with things. May want to play closer to home Vogt - I think he should move on, not sure what else there is for him to do here, but when he originally came to UC he was planning to sit one play 2 if I recall Gone Harvey Keith Diarra I do worry about Mason, if Gabe does not return, but I think both will be back. So with 5 open scholarships I think we'll be in good shape if we get a starting 5, backup 4, wing and project guard and leave 1 scholarship open |
Keith has a limited amount of years to make a living playing basketball, I can't see it being smart for him to spend another 1 in college. I consider him 99.9% gone.
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Vogt might return, I hope not. I think he’d be best to drop a level or see if he could make money somewhere. He could dominate at a lower level. If he was still at nku, he’d be killing it.
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I'm all in favor of guys making money while they can. If it was that easy though, a bunch of players would leave before their senior year and go get paid overseas. Why wouldn't DDJ go right now? Why did Cane Broome stay? (I use them as examples because their size means they have no NBA hopes, but they are good enough to play pro - Broome is playing pro in Canada right now).
I see it like minor league baseball. Nobody goes into the minors to "get paid", even though they do earn a wage. Only the top high school players drafted in early rounds get good signing bonuses and have realistic hopes of developing in the system and reaching the majors. Everybody else goes to college and most stay 4 years because there is no earnings potential for non-roster minor leaguers or indy ball. If Keith is good enough to get a nice contract where he can accumulate can some wealth, then he should absolutely leave, it's a no-brainer. He should have left last year. I'm not convinced he's good enough for that, especially in Europe where shooting and court awareness are more valued than athleticism. We'll see. I agree that there's almost no chance he returns. I'm sure he's confident in himself. I hope he succeeds. |
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Good career keith. Thank you for what youve done.
But no thanks on keith coming back. |
I’d rather have Keith then Vogt come back.
But ideally both leave AND are replaced with bettt more productive and efficient players |
Video of lakhin knocking down corner threes on the tweeter machine. Interesting.
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Have seen some musings about possible recruits
on a couple of the threads. Where is this info available ? I look via cbssports & espn and google which leads me to Rivals, I think. But I haven’t been able to find any info. Thanks ! |
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