Drake

**waterhead** · 11-12-2019, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by justinhub2003

Last night was fun to watch.

And it shows how much functional depth we have.

it shows you how good OSU defended us and rarely made mistakes which is what this offensive depends on.
Drake didn't provide much resistance at all. They didn't gamble. But still to execute your offense in a live game is great for getting better.

But I do think it remains to be seen how this style of offense works against teams like Xavier, Tennessee and even Iowa. We know it works at the mid major level. But how it functions against good defense is still something Im curious about. \

Regardless, it was fun.. we should have an even easier ride on Thursday against Alabama A&M

I didn't think it (offense) worked too bad against OSU. We just didn't make shots. Of course we could tally that up to a better D but some of that is just missing shots. So far so good IMO. Had we beat OSU I would be dreaming of really big things. But right now...with players not having a full grasp on the new system...I think we might just be ahead of the curve. Especially considering we don't have more than half of the offense installed yet.

**sedziobs** · 11-12-2019, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by waterhead

I am more worried about his offense in this system. He is perfect for the top of the key passing that Vogt and Sorolla are getting right now. He would be great in pick and roll. But he has to be one of the perimeter guys because Vogt and Sorolla can't shoot. If Diara could play it would alleviate all of that stuff but it doesn't look like that will be the case. Scott will suffer a bit unless we play small ball. He's the guy we need at the top of the key.

This offense doesn't really have "perimeter" guys. Or rather, everyone is a perimeter guy. The offense also doesn't have any one player designated for the top of the key. We're playing a 5 out motion. That means the standard position for every player is outside the 3 point line. One or two players at a time will cut or dribble to the interior, and the others will rotate but stay outside. This process repeats until a shot goes up. The top of the key is generally only used for reversals. Most entries and screens occur on the wings. This video shows some simple schemes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQML3kogLPo

It's way different than the high ball screen sets we used to run with Cronin. Scott just needs to learn where to run and pass to with quicker decisions. I think he'll get there. Jarron seems a bit behind too. It's ok that Vogt and Sorolla can't shoot - they just need to crash hard when someone drives so they'll be able to take a pass if their man helps.

**sedziobs** · 11-12-2019, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cincrulz11

this is the 2nd game in a row Scott looked bad on defense. It appears he just might not be a good man defender.

Lol, this has been clear to me since the middle of last season!

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Originally Posted by sedziobs

I'm beginning to think we need to stop switching all screens. It's pretty clear at this point that Scott cannot play perimeter defense.

cincrulz11 · 11-12-2019, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sedziobs

Lol, this has been clear to me since the middle of last season!

so he can't play the perimeter, he's getting destroyed inside. what do you do with him.

for me scott was a guy i didn't think to worry about because we had so many other things to worry about. he's so out of place on both ends of the floor. hopefully with more time he'll get it figured out.

**sedziobs** · 11-12-2019, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by cincrulz11

so he can't play the perimeter, he's getting destroyed inside. what do you do with him.

I don't know, but this is why I don't think we're going small very often. Scott can't replace the roles that a big 5 man plays in Brannen's system. He's going to have to learn how to cut and pass like all of the other players. I still don't have a great grasp of what Brannen is doing on defense yet. Hopefully Scott can learn to fit those schemes too.

cincrulz11 · 11-12-2019, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sedziobs

I don't know, but this is why I don't think we're going small very often. Scott can't replace the roles that a big 5 man plays in Brannen's system. He's going to have to learn how to cut and pass like all of the other players. I still don't have a great grasp of what Brannen is doing on defense yet. Hopefully Scott can learn to fit those schemes too.

Yeah I was really over estimating scotts ability to play the 5 in a small ball lineup.

I will say on the positive for Scott, at the very least he looked less hesitant to shoot the 3 ball when he did shoot it last night. Thats a step in the right direction.

**waterhead** · 11-12-2019, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sedziobs

Lol, this has been clear to me since the middle of last season!

Okay so what do we hope for? Justin Jackson or Titus Rubles? Both were absolute superior defenders but neither could shoot a basketball to save their life. Gary Clark was one of the only 4's in the Cronin era that could do a little of both and that didn't really happen till he was JR.

Tre is mobile. Tre can shoot just a little. He can use some coaching on D but this isn't the Cronin era anymore. We won't be seeing much of CJB recruiting JJ or Rubles anymore. Tre is a pretty decent transition guy. Let's not compare him to what we are used to in Cronin's game plan.

TheLivingLegend · 11-12-2019, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by waterhead

Okay so what do we hope for? Justin Jackson or Titus Rubles? Both were absolute superior defenders but neither could shoot a basketball to save their life. Gary Clark was one of the only 4's in the Cronin era that could do a little of both and that didn't really happen till he was JR.

Tre is mobile. Tre can shoot just a little. He can use some coaching on D but this isn't the Cronin era anymore. We won't be seeing much of CJB recruiting JJ or Rubles anymore. Tre is a pretty decent transition guy. Let's not compare him to what we are used to in Cronin's game plan.

Id take Justin Jackson on this team in a heartbeat....

Tre has one job. Rebound. He will get minutes if he can get 10+ boards a night.

**waterhead** · 11-12-2019, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by waterhead

Okay so what do we hope for? Justin Jackson or Titus Rubles? Both were absolute superior defenders but neither could shoot a basketball to save their life. Gary Clark was one of the only 4's in the Cronin era that could do a little of both and that didn't really happen till he was JR.

Tre is mobile. Tre can shoot just a little. He can use some coaching on D but this isn't the Cronin era anymore. We won't be seeing much of CJB recruiting JJ or Rubles anymore. Tre is a pretty decent transition guy. Let's not compare him to what we are used to in Cronin's game plan.

My point is how do you come up with a superior defending 4 and not sacrifice some offense or vice versa? It's fun to speculate about but we all know where those 4's are going. Duke, UK etc. We can get some guards easily by just paying attention. Good bigs are tough to come by. Everyone is paying attention. Gary Clark is the only guy Cronin ever recruited that was a solid 4 on both ends...and Cronin had over a decade to accomplish that feat.

**waterhead** · 11-12-2019, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLivingLegend

Id take Justin Jackson on this team in a heartbeat....

Tre has one job. Rebound. He will get minutes if he can get 10+ boards a night.

He is averaging 11.5 boards right now in limited minutes...