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Old 03-22-2011, 04:13 PM   #61
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I would say this is right, but we need to start balancing classes out. This is pure speculation on my part, but it seems like there is a very good chance Ellis will be redshirted. That will mean we have 3 bigs that are freshman in 2012. That is a lot to replace all at once down the road.
I don't worry about balanced classes because they almost always seem to get worked out. There is generally a lot of attrition, especially when the classes are so large.
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Old 03-22-2011, 04:27 PM   #62
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I don't worry about balanced classes because they almost always seem to get worked out. There is generally a lot of attrition, especially when the classes are so large.
Agreed for the most part. There are the extreme cases though where it comes back to bite you- St. John's for example.
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Old 03-23-2011, 07:55 AM   #63
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Agreed for the most part. There are the extreme cases though where it comes back to bite you- St. John's for example.
How has it come back to bite SJU? They had a very good year mainly due to having so many veterans which exposes them to even more recruiting. Plus having so many vacancies allowed Lavin to build a great recruiting class and was able to sell many top recruits on playing time. I'd say it worked in favor of SJU.

Of course I'm not saying that it's ideal to have that large of a class, but you have to fill your needs and if it means a large unbalanced class, so be it. Get the best players and worry about class balance later. It generally works itself out.
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Old 03-23-2011, 02:18 PM   #64
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The win here is that IU is re-building. I cannot fault a kid in Indiana wanting to be a part of restoring the glory that is IU basketball. In fact, I can rejoice the fact that Thad Motta is not getting the top recruits from Indiana!

Kudos to Jeremy for finding a college home, I wish him nothing but success.
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Old 03-23-2011, 04:16 PM   #65
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How has it come back to bite SJU? They had a very good year mainly due to having so many veterans which exposes them to even more recruiting. Plus having so many vacancies allowed Lavin to build a great recruiting class and was able to sell many top recruits on playing time. I'd say it worked in favor of SJU.

Of course I'm not saying that it's ideal to have that large of a class, but you have to fill your needs and if it means a large unbalanced class, so be it. Get the best players and worry about class balance later. It generally works itself out.
Come back and talk to me after next year. The recruiting class is excellent, no doubt. But St. John's is going to struggle next year. That isn't a John Calipari or Thad Matta recruiting haul with one and done's. It's a bunch of very, very good college basketball players and I guarantee you there most certainly will be extensive growing pains as they will most likely start four freshmen and one sophomore.
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Old 03-23-2011, 04:31 PM   #66
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Come back and talk to me after next year. The recruiting class is excellent, no doubt. But St. John's is going to struggle next year. That isn't a John Calipari or Thad Matta recruiting haul with one and done's. It's a bunch of very, very good college basketball players and I guarantee you there most certainly will be extensive growing pains as they will most likely start four freshmen and one sophomore.
Wrong.

It's a bunch of good high school basketball players.

The only returning player is Dwayne Polee, and his stats are very underwhelming...

SJU will struggle next year. That doesn't mean they won't win some games or beat a few teams they shouldn't, but they will be a vastly different team.
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Old 03-23-2011, 07:22 PM   #67
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Come back and talk to me after next year. The recruiting class is excellent, no doubt. But St. John's is going to struggle next year. That isn't a John Calipari or Thad Matta recruiting haul with one and done's. It's a bunch of very, very good college basketball players and I guarantee you there most certainly will be extensive growing pains as they will most likely start four freshmen and one sophomore.
I agree, but the unbalanced class allowed success this year and they will probably struggle a bit next year. It's a trade off, but in the next few years they will likely benefit greatly from it.
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I think the point about unbalanced classes is that it never allows sustained success. It's always a 3-4 year cycle with 2 good years and 1-2 bad ones. Balancing your incoming and outgoing players over 4 years allows for consistent infusion of young talent while maintaining depth and experience. All other things being equal, balanced classes are better than unbalanced ones.
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Old 03-24-2011, 08:29 AM   #69
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It's one of the reasons they want to bring a juco big in. Balance is important.
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:27 AM   #70
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Wrong.

It's a bunch of good high school basketball players.

The only returning player is Dwayne Polee, and his stats are very underwhelming...

SJU will struggle next year. That doesn't mean they won't win some games or beat a few teams they shouldn't, but they will be a vastly different team.
Quit undercutting me here BCA1, I'm trying to make a point!!!
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