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cincyguy13 · 02-19-2021, 10:18 AM

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Such as? I'm not listening

Legend breaking the news to the world that Born Ready was going to be a bearcat game... After seeing him at a random summer league game "oxygen".... Chad claimed it was "stolen" info lol. I've been blocked since.

Chad is annoying. He picks fights for no reason. He thinks he’s more important than he is, but I’ll still listen to anyone talk about uc.

TheLivingLegend · 02-19-2021, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cincyguy13

I think chad knows a little more than us. I’m not saying he in the know for everything but we don’t know anything. He knows more than that.

I found it interesting that Harvey’s advance stats says he’s the worst player on offense and defense. You guys love advanced stats.

I also found it interesting that brannen wanted to keep some of the guys, everyone here thinks he told everyone to leave.

Berg is a fairly neutral party. And knows basketball. I like listening to him

What are these advanced stats?

Queens_NYC · 02-19-2021, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TheLivingLegend

What are these advanced stats?

Chad stated that Harvey had the worst "offensive and defensive leverage" rating on the team which he described as an advanced +/-.

Harvey's average +/- rating on the season was -3.64/game. I'm not sure how significant that stat is alone, but I guess this leverage statistic has a little more value.

justinhub2003 · 02-19-2021, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TheLivingLegend

What are these advanced stats?

Yea.

I just looked up Zach Harvey’s offensive stats on Synergy and his grade is listed as excellent.

Literally grades our better than 90% of other D1 players
. Defensively he is below Average.

But my guess is he our highest graded offensive player and we lost him,

I told you. It’s state run spin zone media over on BCJ

cincyguy13 · 02-19-2021, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by justinhub2003

Yea.

I just looked up Zach Harvey’s offensive stats on Synergy and his grade is listed as excellent.

Literally grades our better than 90% of other D1 players
. Defensively he is below Average.

But my guess is he our highest graded offensive player and we lost him,

I told you. It’s state run spin zone media over on BCJ

Yeah, I don’t know the stats. I never know how to look that stuff up. It could not be true but it’s always interesting hearing the other side of things.

Also, you calling people out for spinning an argument is something.

cincyguy13 · 02-19-2021, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by justinhub2003

Yea.

I just looked up Zach Harvey’s offensive stats on Synergy and his grade is listed as excellent.

Literally grades our better than 90% of other D1 players
. Defensively he is below Average.

But my guess is he our highest graded offensive player and we lost him,

I told you. It’s state run spin zone media over on BCJ

If the guy has 8 assist like someone stated earlier, that could be an issue. I’d love to have Harvey still, but there could be more to the story. Or maybe not

cincrulz11 · 02-19-2021, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Queens_NYC

Chad stated that Harvey had the worst "offensive and defensive leverage" rating on the team which he described as an advanced +/-.

Harvey's average +/- rating on the season was -3.64/game. I'm not sure how significant that stat is alone, but I guess this leverage statistic has a little more value.

What do they use to come up with that stat.

cincyguy13 · 02-19-2021, 11:32 AM

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What do they use to come up with that stat.

You can always make those advanced stats say whatever you want. That’s why I don’t love them but I found it interesting that if it was true.

cincrulz11 · 02-19-2021, 11:41 AM

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You can always make those advanced stats say whatever you want. That’s why I don’t love them but I found it interesting that if it was true.

I mean i really like advanced stats, but I'd like to know what goes into them before judging them.

I could say Harvey had an insane eFG (73) and TS (72.5) in conference, which he did. But its because he hit 10-16 3's in conference play. A number like that isn't sustainable for anybody in the world, and he's probably a guy that shoots half that. Harvey could have been in for some of our awful awful runs, which we go on frequently, and that could screw up some sort of plus/minus stat in just 12 games. And those runs could have had nothing to do with him.

But I think you can see the athlete, you can see how fluid his movement is. He handles the ball well. He's great in transition. He can lock down with on ball defense.

I viewed him as a more athletic Keith but similar issues to Keith in that his shot needs to be fixed. Keith never got his shot figured out and thats why he's shooting 24% from the floor for any shot that isn't at the rim. Harvey puts so much arc on every shot theres no way he can be consistent.

But projecting him going forward, he had by far the most potential of any wing on the roster.

**sedziobs** · 02-19-2021, 11:54 AM

It's probably something similar to the NBA's PER, which weighs rebounding and assists somewhat heavily. Harvey doesn't rebound or create assists really at all. His defensive rebounding rate is worst on the team, even below Saunders, and offensive rebounding rate is terrible too. His assist rate is also worst on the team. I agree the potential is there watching him drive the ball, but I can definitely see how advance metrics could paint an unfavorable picture.

02-19-2021, 11:54 AM	#330
sedziobs Senior Moderator Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 2,395	It's probably something similar to the NBA's PER, which weighs rebounding and assists somewhat heavily. Harvey doesn't rebound or create assists really at all. His defensive rebounding rate is worst on the team, even below Saunders, and offensive rebounding rate is terrible too. His assist rate is also worst on the team. I agree the potential is there watching him drive the ball, but I can definitely see how advance metrics could paint an unfavorable picture.