Tulsa Game Thread

[skyblade]

Originally Posted by itsamemario

Mcneal does all the right things? He cant stay in front of his man. He turns the ball over. He dribbled for 8 seconds last night at the 3 point line and then threw up an awful shot at the end of the shot clock. This is the norm for mcneal. He played 1 good game and that was the loss at ohio state.

But I guess I dont understand how you can say that about mcneal and then the very next sentence say harvey cant shoot or defend. Mcneal cant do either and hes been in college for 6 years

Harvey has showed no indications that he can hit a 3 with any consistency. And Harvey's defense has been terrible, he was in the game for 3 minutes last night and committed a holding foul because he couldn't stay in front of his man. Harvey should get there eventually (Williams was very similar as a freshman and figured it out by his Sophomore year), but I don't think he can be counted on for minutes this year.

McNeal has been a quite capable defender and very good at forcing TO's and getting steals at times. Offensively he is majorly lacking, but he brings more then Harvey and probably will continue to this year. I have much more hope in Davenport figuring it out by March then I do in Harvey.

[Loser Mentality]

McNeal needs a confidence booster bad.

Last nights 2 Cumberlands, Williams, Scott, and Vogt may have just crushed the confidence booster lol for McNeal going forward.

[Alum2013]

Originally Posted by skyblade

Harvey has showed no indications that he can hit a 3 with any consistency. And Harvey's defense has been terrible, he was in the game for 3 minutes last night and committed a holding foul because he couldn't stay in front of his man. Harvey should get there eventually (Williams was very similar as a freshman and figured it out by his Sophomore year), but I don't think he can be counted on for minutes this year.

McNeal has been a quite capable defender and very good at forcing TO's and getting steals at times. Offensively he is majorly lacking, but he brings more then Harvey and probably will continue to this year. I have much more hope in Davenport figuring it out by March then I do in Harvey.

This. I don't understand how anyone could watch what Harvey has done so far this year and think he should be getting more minutes. He has been terrible. McNeal has been equally as terrible offensively but at least on defense he's definitely one of our better ones.

[cincyguy13]

Originally Posted by Alum2013

This. I don't understand how anyone could watch what Harvey has done so far this year and think he should be getting more minutes. He has been terrible. McNeal has been equally as terrible offensively but at least on defense he's definitely one of our better ones.

The same guy wanted minutes for diarra when he looked equally as terrible.
The thought with giving Harvey a couple minutes, not much, is that the game will begin to slow down and maybe he will get some confidence. He is 18 years old and a big part of the programs future. McNeal is 22-23 years old. Is what he is. And Harvey can’t be much worse in limited time.

[waterhead]

Originally Posted by Alum2013

This. I don't understand how anyone could watch what Harvey has done so far this year and think he should be getting more minutes. He has been terrible. McNeal has been equally as terrible offensively but at least on defense he's definitely one of our better ones.

Harvey is a frosh so I expect a big jump next year. I don't know what is going on with McNeal (must be mental) he must have done enough in practice and early games to prove something to Brannen. If he could just shoot his career average from 3 I would think he would still be in there. Moore really never gained his confidence back once he lost it. If McNeal keeps working on his shot after practice maybe a light will come on. I remember Terry Nelson saying McNeal was a very capable shooter after watching practices. Something has gone terribly wrong since then

[cincyguy13]

Originally Posted by skyblade

Harvey has showed no indications that he can hit a 3 with any consistency. And Harvey's defense has been terrible, he was in the game for 3 minutes last night and committed a holding foul because he couldn't stay in front of his man. Harvey should get there eventually (Williams was very similar as a freshman and figured it out by his Sophomore year), but I don't think he can be counted on for minutes this year.

McNeal has been a quite capable defender and very good at forcing TO's and getting steals at times. Offensively he is majorly lacking, but he brings more then Harvey and probably will continue to this year. I have much more hope in Davenport figuring it out by March then I do in Harvey.

Diarra also looked terrible at the beginning of the year but you wanted him in there. Guess people think Harvey could also get better. But since he’s not your favorite player, I guess He can’t improve.

[itsamemario]

Originally Posted by waterhead

Harvey is a frosh so I expect a big jump next year. I don't know what is going on with McNeal (must be mental) he must have done enough in practice and early games to prove something to Brannen. If he could just shoot his career average from 3 I would think he would still be in there. Moore really never gained his confidence back once he lost it. If McNeal keeps working on his shot after practice maybe a light will come on. I remember Terry Nelson saying McNeal was a very capable shooter after watching practices. Something has gone terribly wrong since then

I dont think its mental. Hes just not good. Hes a 6 year career 28% shooter from 3. Im not yelling for Harvey to play more, Im yelling for Mcneal to play less. However that works. If that means play MAW in foul trouble or play Dou at the 1. I dont care, but Mcneal cant be on the floor for any extended periods.

[cincyguy13]

Originally Posted by itsamemario

I dont think its mental. Hes just not good. Hes a 6 year career 28% shooter from 3. Im not yelling for Harvey to play more, Im yelling for Mcneal to play less. However that works. If that means play MAW in foul trouble or play Dou at the 1. I dont care, but Mcneal cant be on the floor for any extended periods.

I am also for McNeal playing less. I think his best use is playing defense for a couple minutes and getting the other point guard wore out. Or in the press when we are down. Like Iowa. Other than that, we are better without him.

[cincrulz11]

Originally Posted by itsamemario

I dont think its mental. Hes just not good. Hes a 6 year career 28% shooter from 3. Im not yelling for Harvey to play more, Im yelling for Mcneal to play less. However that works. If that means play MAW in foul trouble or play Dou at the 1. I dont care, but Mcneal cant be on the floor for any extended periods.

28% is bad, but he's not an 11% 3 point shooter which is what he is this year.



obviously nobody wants a 28% 3 point shooter hoisting up 3's either, which is also why nobody should ever want Scott to take a 2 point jumper (Mcneal shooting 28% has a higher expected value than Scott shooting a 2 point jumper, think about that).

[skyblade]

Originally Posted by cincyguy13

Diarra also looked terrible at the beginning of the year but you wanted him in there. Guess people think Harvey could also get better. But since he’s not your favorite player, I guess He can’t improve.

Diarra has been an excellent defender and rebounder all season. He was terrible on the offensive end, but I felt he could figure it out relatively quickly. He's a third year player and was much more likely to make the jump in understanding (which he has). Not only that, but his combination of size/athleticism allows him to recover from mistakes.

Harvey is a good athlete, but not close to Diarra's level. He lacks in all three phases of the game (offense, defense, rebounding). You can play a guy who lacks in one phase (such as Diarra, McNeal, Jaevin and Vogt at times), but you can't play a guy who lacks in a all three. Harvey will get there eventually, but I see no reason to think it will be this season.