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Old 04-16-2013, 02:29 PM   #21
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Deonta was a big contributor as a Freshman, 1st team all Big East as a Soph., 2nd team all Big East as a Jr., and nothing as a senior. That is not improvement. In general, everyone improves over time from all the practicing. I think we're speaking of substantial improvement. I wouldn't say SK has improved leaps and bounds. I felt his shooting went backwards this year. His ball handling hasn't gotten any better. Defense has improved a little. Dixon was inconsistent when he got here, and he was inconsistent when he left. Did he improve? Yes, but not by leaps and bounds. In seven years, you picked three names and even those three are debatable. The original premise was correct. "In general", we haven't seen players making significant improvements in their time playing for Mick. He hasn't put anyone in the NBA except for the guy that was "Born Ready" for the NBA before he even played his one year for Mick.
I absolutely despised Dion Dixon his first two years (especially after the WVU thing) but his last two years he improved all the little parts of his game and became a solid contributor. So to did Rashaad Bishop, who developped into the best defender Mick has coached. Larry Davis and Darnell Wilks went from mediocere players on Bad teams to role players on a good team in their senior season. SK was a three star recruit who had offers from basically no one and developed into a scorer who has increased his scoring average by multiple points every year. Lance Stephenson looked lost most of his year and finally came into his own in the Big East tournament. Cashmere Wright went from a frosh that averaged what? 5 ppg? To a senior point guard who was our second best scorer and was held back only by injuries. Hell, even Biggie McClain scored in his final season, soemthing he never did his first 3.

While no player under Mick has ever developed such as Kenyon or Trey Burke, it is ignorant and a strong display of confirmation bias to say that no player has developed at all.
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Old 04-16-2013, 03:00 PM   #22
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I absolutely despised Dion Dixon his first two years (especially after the WVU thing) but his last two years he improved all the little parts of his game and became a solid contributor. So to did Rashaad Bishop, who developped into the best defender Mick has coached. Larry Davis and Darnell Wilks went from mediocere players on Bad teams to role players on a good team in their senior season. SK was a three star recruit who had offers from basically no one and developed into a scorer who has increased his scoring average by multiple points every year. Lance Stephenson looked lost most of his year and finally came into his own in the Big East tournament. Cashmere Wright went from a frosh that averaged what? 5 ppg? To a senior point guard who was our second best scorer and was held back only by injuries. Hell, even Biggie McClain scored in his final season, soemthing he never did his first 3.

While no player under Mick has ever developed such as Kenyon or Trey Burke, it is ignorant and a strong display of confirmation bias to say that no player has developed at all.
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:24 PM   #23
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Nobody had SK, Trey Burke, etc. very high, either. One does not have to be a top 10 recruit to contribute right away. On the other hand, you can usually only find one or two diamonds in the rough a year, so if either Caupain or Strickland can be that guy, that would really help with the scoring problem.
Trey Burke was a 4 star recruit. That's big time.
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:43 PM   #24
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Trey Burke was a 4 star recruit. That's big time.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballre...rivals150/2011

No Trey Burke was a 3* ranked behind both Shaq Thomas and Jermaine Sanders. You read way to much into rankings.
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Old 04-16-2013, 05:25 PM   #25
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballre...rivals150/2011

No Trey Burke was a 3* ranked behind both Shaq Thomas and Jermaine Sanders. You read way to much into rankings.
NO!! He was a four star. Check around before you come at me with garbage.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75...=1&nid=4091300
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Trey Burke was a 4 star recruit. That's big time.
So was Justin Jackson. He is not big time. Rankings are overrated. Sometimes you get Trey Burke and Kemba Walker. Sometimes you get BJ Grove and Rod Flowers. You just have to evaluate the best you can and hope the kids works really hard and light turns on. Sometimes that means just a solid role player and other times it means a superstar. Never know how a kid will react to D1 ball.
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Old 04-16-2013, 05:32 PM   #27
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Yup, Deonta, Dion, SK, and co. have never gotten better. That's why we've only made the tourney 3 straight years, including a sweet 16. Awful, just awful!!!
Those players never improved from their freshman years. Your idea of improvement and mine seem light years apart. Dixon, I may go along with slightly. But Vaughn and SK? No way.
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So was Justin Jackson. He is not big time. Rankings are overrated. Sometimes you get Trey Burke and Kemba Walker. Sometimes you get BJ Grove and Rod Flowers. You just have to evaluate the best you can and hope the kids works really hard and light turns on. Sometimes that means just a solid role player and other times it means a superstar. Never know how a kid will react to D1 ball.
Respectfully disagree. How many NBA stars from the US were not monster recruits?
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Yea no doubt the top 20 are typically monsters but after that it is very hard to ascertain where a kid will end up. Those are typically all 3 and 4 star recruits.
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Yea no doubt the top 20 are typically monsters but after that it is very hard to ascertain where a kid will end up. Those are typically all 3 and 4 star recruits.
Good point. I agree.
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