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Old 07-26-2019, 06:48 PM   #21
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Yeah Leal trimmed his list down to IU and Stanford. He is pretty much an IU lock. Scrubb would be nice but I read in an article not too long ago, and it had a quote from his dad saying that he might declare for the draft after this year. Can't remember the last time someone was drafted straight from JUCO.
Galloway gone now too. IU. Thatís okay we tried. I would not bet on Scrubb or Loveday.

Anyway it doesnít hurt to offer and get them on campus. Most of the offers I have seen are pretty solid even if they donít have 4 stars. I see some 3 star guys I would take before some of the 4 star guys.

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Old 07-29-2019, 07:37 AM   #22
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I like Traynor and Wesley. Both would be solid gets. As for Scrubb, I'd bet U of L or NBA. Not saying it's impossible, I'm saying improbable.

Traynor's dad played at U of L...not sure how much of a factor that might play. Wesley is in ND's backyard. Again, not sure how that might factor.

Lots to be optimistic about though. I'm still high on Eason and Gordon.
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Old 07-29-2019, 08:44 AM   #23
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Galloway gone now too. IU. Thatís okay we tried. I would not bet on Scrubb or Loveday.

Anyway it doesnít hurt to offer and get them on campus. Most of the offers I have seen are pretty solid even if they donít have 4 stars. I see some 3 star guys I would take before some of the 4 star guys.
Agreed, I like that JB is going after these guys. It's like the old saying goes...you never know until you try.
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Old 07-29-2019, 09:46 AM   #24
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Sounds like we offered Gabe Madsens brother (Mason) in what would seem to be a strong push to get Gabe.. So the staff must be really high on Gabe or thinking we may not have a great shot at some of the other wing offers. Gabe's brother is a mid major level recruit (right now) but I don't think he would be too far off of a guy like Trevor Moore who didn't have a lot of high level offers. Maybe he has some upside but at least he could be a role player toward the end of the bench.

I was thinking we would try to get a couple of wings and a couple of bigs for 2020...so this would fill both wing spots. At 6'3 and 6'4 I would like to see another inch or two but who knows.

Again, there must be a high level of confidence that Gabe Madsen will be a star. Or Brannen thinks he has already done enough with guys like Woods, Davenport and Harvey and just needs 1 more very good wing. Of course Madsens brother Mason could end up improving to the point he is also very productive.

My other thought is that this move could put some pressure on another wing who doesn't have a lot of high D1 offers yet. Basically putting them into a position where they feel they need to make a decision sooner than later or no wing spots will be available anymore.
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:51 AM   #25
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Sounds like we offered Gabe Madsens brother (Mason) in what would seem to be a strong push to get Gabe.. So the staff must be really high on Gabe or thinking we may not have a great shot at some of the other wing offers. Gabe's brother is a mid major level recruit (right now) but I don't think he would be too far off of a guy like Trevor Moore who didn't have a lot of high level offers. Maybe he has some upside but at least he could be a role player toward the end of the bench.

I was thinking we would try to get a couple of wings and a couple of bigs for 2020...so this would fill both wing spots. At 6'3 and 6'4 I would like to see another inch or two but who knows.

Again, there must be a high level of confidence that Gabe Madsen will be a star. Or Brannen thinks he has already done enough with guys like Woods, Davenport and Harvey and just needs 1 more very good wing. Of course Madsens brother Mason could end up improving to the point he is also very productive.

My other thought is that this move could put some pressure on another wing who doesn't have a lot of high D1 offers yet. Basically putting them into a position where they feel they need to make a decision sooner than later or no wing spots will be available anymore.
After watching a little more video on both...I can say I would be very OK with getting this twin tandem. Gabe can do it all. He has a lightning quick release, pretty good handles, good passer, and can create shots and knock them down from anywhere. Nice step back shot and knows how to create space and use stop go action to get his looks. He can get the ball in the bucket through contact around the rim with either hand. Very good body control and always ready to shoot.

Mason has even better handles than Gabe and probably even better passer from the looks of things. He has a similar quick release and can shoot off the dribble if he needs to. Gabe seems to be more of a player who can create scoring whenever he wants and Mason seems like more of an opportunist and gets his teammates more involved. I like the idea of him being a backup 6'3" PG to Saunders (or Woods). His ball skills seem to be pretty tight as well as passing.

They both look pretty good IMO. I think Mason certainly looks capable of filling a role even at the level of the AAC. With some work could even end up being a solid contributor.

I hope we get these guys! This doesn't seem to be a token package deal. I think Mason can play. He's much better than walk on quality and possibly even capable of quality high level D1 play.

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Old 07-29-2019, 01:36 PM   #26
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I'm seeing anywhere from 6'4" to 6'6" for Gabe Madsen. let's call it 6'5" which I think is plenty of size for a wing.

It seems like he has been (and is) a major priority for the staff which makes even more sense with the offer to his brother. Outside of Scrubb (who is a no brainer) he could be very high on the wing list...maybe even the next highest to SCrubb.

The question becomes...since Scrubb will be entertaining NBA potentially after this season...that even if Scrubb does commit to UC (a longish shot with UL also in the mix) he could be a "one and doner" type. Would we rather 3-4 years of a high caliber Madsen or 1-2 years of a higher caliber Scrubb?

I say lock down Madsen because the overall program value would be higher than the short term value for Scrubb. I would take either one but I would hope to get a couple years out of Scrubb (which would be up in the air). It's possible that there could be a 3 year difference in the amount of use we can get between the two if Scrubb would leave after 1 and Madsen was here for 4.
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Old 07-29-2019, 02:21 PM   #27
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I'm seeing anywhere from 6'4" to 6'6" for Gabe Madsen. let's call it 6'5" which I think is plenty of size for a wing.

It seems like he has been (and is) a major priority for the staff which makes even more sense with the offer to his brother. Outside of Scrubb (who is a no brainer) he could be very high on the wing list...maybe even the next highest to SCrubb.

The question becomes...since Scrubb will be entertaining NBA potentially after this season...that even if Scrubb does commit to UC (a longish shot with UL also in the mix) he could be a "one and doner" type. Would we rather 3-4 years of a high caliber Madsen or 1-2 years of a higher caliber Scrubb?

I say lock down Madsen because the overall program value would be higher than the short term value for Scrubb. I would take either one but I would hope to get a couple years out of Scrubb (which would be up in the air). It's possible that there could be a 3 year difference in the amount of use we can get between the two if Scrubb would leave after 1 and Madsen was here for 4.
While I don't think you can really go wrong...my opinion is always take the best talent you can get. So if Scrubb is the better talent, I'd take him for 1 year. If you take the best talent each year you are in the best position. Now - I guess if the 2021 wing class is light, could be a reason to do something different. Glad I'm not the coach and he has to worry about all that!
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Old 07-30-2019, 09:06 AM   #28
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While I don't think you can really go wrong...my opinion is always take the best talent you can get. So if Scrubb is the better talent, I'd take him for 1 year. If you take the best talent each year you are in the best position. Now - I guess if the 2021 wing class is light, could be a reason to do something different. Glad I'm not the coach and he has to worry about all that!
In theory I would say that works well too. The only thing I would say is that even most of the jucos we have had go through a one year adjustment period even if SCrubb is a little higher caliber than we have seen.

I will be happy to land either one.
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Old 08-20-2019, 03:11 PM   #29
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Things seem to be heating up a little bit after a period of little news. We have some visits coming up for the UCLA game.

It seems like the Madsen brothers are becoming a real possibility and we are getting closer on guys like Eason and Traynor. IN addition to Saunders that would put us with 4 of 5 spots filled going into spring if we could get the Madsens and a PF. Maybe a grad transfer or any other high caliber HS kid to round out the class would be pretty cool. Scrubb please!!

Saunders
Madsen
Madsen
Eason/Traynor

and one player TBD doesn't sound too bad. I know Mason Madsen is kind of looked at as more of a tag along to Gabe but consider he is getting mid major looks and there is always the possibility of Mason at some point either improving to the point he can produce or he could wind up thinking eventually he would rather be getting PT somewhere else if he's riding pine all the time. Worst case for him (and UC) is he never gets off the bench and rides pine 4 years eating up a scholly. Nobody wants that either player or program. But even if we have 1 player dedicated to eating a scholly out of 13 I don't think it impacts the overall performance of the team much. We have had pine sitters every year since I can remember. Some pan out by junior or senior year, some transfer, and some just get spot minutes for the duration of their time.
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Old 08-21-2019, 01:38 PM   #30
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After watching a little more video on Gabe Madsen I would say he's got a lighting fast release and a step back shot that I would call "virtually unguardable" considering his height and quick release. He seems to have that same level of BB IQ as a guy like Cumberland. He just looks like he knows what he is doing out there and knows how to create space and use his body. His shooting touch looks awesome and precise!

If he can get his handles to be as good as his play making/shooting...he can probably go one on one with just about anyone and be a go to end of clock guy.
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