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Old 05-13-2019, 06:44 AM   #11
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I donít think itís easy making 9 straight tournaments but I can tell you the type of fan that can still have a problem with it. Out of those 9 years I think we have had one ďcontenderĒ. A team that has a reasonable expectation for a F4. If you use our seed itís the only team that was even supposed to make the sweet 16 if you were going by chalk.

When Huggins was here I felt like a contender about one out of every 2-3 years after he made the final 4. Just eeking into the tournament doesnít really get my gears pumping. Sure the ride is fun getting there and there is still a hope and prayer...but I donít want to kid myself too much.

Anyway, it is possible to appreciate both
Nicely said.

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Old 05-13-2019, 07:56 AM   #12
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I donít think itís easy making 9 straight tournaments but I can tell you the type of fan that can still have a problem with it. Out of those 9 years I think we have had one ďcontenderĒ. A team that has a reasonable expectation for a F4. If you use our seed itís the only team that was even supposed to make the sweet 16 if you were going by chalk.

When Huggins was here I felt like a contender about one out of every 2-3 years after he made the final 4. Just eeking into the tournament doesnít really get my gears pumping. Sure the ride is fun getting there and there is still a hope and prayer...but I donít want to kid myself too much.

Anyway, it is possible to appreciate both
Just to illustrate this point a bit more. Huggins had 9 years (out of 14) as a top 4 seed, 7 years as a top 3, and 5 as a top 2. If you get a protected seed I think there is at least a reasonable chance at a F4 whether you make it there or not. Cronin has had 1 top 4 seed and it was a 2 seed.

I would rather be in the dance than not. But if you told me we could go 6 of 9 years instead of all 9 and we could enter the dance with a protected seed in 3 of them. I would probably trade that out for 1 of 9.

I can appreciate the consistency of getting there. I think 9 of 9 with Cronin and 14 of 14 with Huggins is obviously a very high bar so I don't even expect that to continue. But if and when we do make it I would like to believe we are contenders (not pretenders) in 1 out of 3 appearances.

Maybe it's asking too much from an AAC team...but that is what my hopes are. Not even sure that is what my expectations are. I think regular season is about half the fun...maybe even 2/3rds of the fun...but the NCAA tourney is still a big deal to me.
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:14 AM   #13
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Maybe it's asking too much from an AAC team...but that is what my hopes are. Not even sure that is what my expectations are. I think regular season is about half the fun...maybe even 2/3rds of the fun...but the NCAA tourney is still a big deal to me.


you can build programs in the AAC. Houston is proof. Sampson got there 5 years ago, 13-19 first season and if not for a fluke shot vs Michigan would have back to back sweet 16s.



Im really not sure where this idea that if you're in the AAC you can't recruit and shouldn't even think about tournament success. Thats complete bullcrap.
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:45 AM   #14
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Haven't had a top 25 recruiting class in what? 15+ years? But let's hold Brannen to that in his first 3....

Will someone with brain cells just lock this thread already?
Mick had multiple recruiting classes that were top 26, and top 31. So if Brannen is indeed a better recruiter then top 25 should be fine for him.

He has a brand new arena to work with and god facilities. He has zero excuses not to land a top 25 class
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you can build programs in the AAC. Houston is proof. Sampson got there 5 years ago, 13-19 first season and if not for a fluke shot vs Michigan would have back to back sweet 16s.



Im really not sure where this idea that if you're in the AAC you can't recruit and shouldn't even think about tournament success. Thats complete bullcrap.
We have been to 9 straight tourneys so that part is definitely doable. What I am referring to is getting up to that next level. We either have to up recruiting or up coaching or both to get on that Gonzaga level.

Even if we maintain the Cronin level of recruiting...but it is more focused on offense than defense...perhaps that is the bump we need who knows. So a 3 star defensive specialist vs a 3 star offensive specialist are two completely different ways to go about things. The recruit will likely be missing something if they are 3 stars whether it's skills or athleticism.

Now if we can start landing more in that 4 star range we can expect them to have more of both skills and athleticism. That is the range we need to tap into more...and if we don't then we have to believe recruiting offense with an offensive minded coach is a better recipe.

Seriously, if we go from one 4 star guy every year to 1.5...then we just added 2 more talented guys to the roster over a 4 year stretch than we are used to. That seems like a significant bump to me...not a marginal one.
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He has a brand new arena to work with and god facilities. He has zero excuses not to land a top 25 class


Outside of all the ones we used for mick.
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Mick had multiple recruiting classes that were top 26, and top 31. So if Brannen is indeed a better recruiter then top 25 should be fine for him.

He has a brand new arena to work with and god facilities. He has zero excuses not to land a top 25 class
Jermaine Sanders and Shaq Thomas was one of his best ranked classes...nuff said.
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Old 05-14-2019, 11:22 AM   #18
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For me the expectations arenít too different from mick. After 10 years, mick got this thing rolling. Aside from tournament wins. I donít expect it to take as long as mick because the situations are different but it could take 3 years to see if it is going in the right direction. I also think we could be in the tournament next year if Jarron comes back. At least be a bubble team. Bringing back one of the best players in the country never hurts.
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I also expect better recruiting. Not 5 stars, not even 4 stars, (some 4 stars), but top 150-200 guys. There will be unranked, role player guys, I just want a couple more high profile guys on the roster. No idea if we will be able to do that but that is my expectations.
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Old 05-14-2019, 09:49 PM   #20
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I keep being told that i got everyones expectations of the program all wrong. So lets note down what our expectations of the next regime at UC basketball should look like:

Wining record vs Top 25 in 5 year period: YES
Just so we're clear on the Top 25/Ranked portion:
  • Mick's Win/Loss Record against ranked opponents (Last 5 years): 8-18, 31% Winning Percentage
  • Mick's Win/Loss Record against ranked opponents in OUR CONFERENCE (Last 5 years): 4-7, 36% Winning Percentage

"Facts don't care about your feelings"

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