2021-22 Roster

**waterhead** · 03-01-2021, 11:53 AM

An extremely weird year. A lot of speculation about how many open spots we will have for recruits. The short answer is a lot. Hopefully it's not too many more than that. Damn near the entire roster has been speculated about.

Some almost sure outs...

Williams
Harvey
Rap

Reason to think...

Vogt
Dou
Gabe (and if Gabe maybe Mason)
DD
Tari
Davenport (because apparently one guy heard something)

Leaving us with the no speculation heard so far crowd...

Mikey
MAW
Lakhin

The max is 9 here with no transfers leaving 4 spots (actually 5 if Vogt doesn't count against). Seems like Dou leaving rumors could make some sense. Who knows on the opt outs Gabe and DD but seems DD likely to come back. I would hope Gabe seeing his twin getting some good run will bring him back.

Tari has questionable body language at times and shows a lot of frustration but I hope he sees the potential at the 4. Listening to JD I would count him in.

Hoping to see at least this

Lakhin
Tari
Davenport
Gabe
Mason
MAW
DD
Mikey

Over-Under at 8 roster spots filled give or take 2?

**waterhead** · 03-01-2021, 12:10 PM

The crazy thing here is that after only 2 years we could see every single Cronin hold over gone. Keith and Dou are all that is left. I can't see any chance of Williams coming back and the odds for Dou are probably less than 50% (from rumors). That is an insane roster turnover.

Add to that Sorolla, Rap and Harvey also abandoned ship. That will be 11 Cronin players out and 3 Brannen players totaling 1 more than a full roster turnover in 2 years. And that is only if no more Brannen players leave early.

For program sake, CJB sake, and all of our mental health I am hoping the turnover trend stops here.

Queens_NYC · 03-01-2021, 12:44 PM

I'd probably take the push at 8 returnees, but if I'm forced to take a harder stance, I'd probably take the under at 7.

DD
Mikey
JD
Mason
MAW

all seem very likely to return from my perspective

Tari
Lahkin
Gabe

I think one of these 3 will probably end up closer to home next season.

I can't see a good reason for any of the other 5 to return.

cincyguy13 · 03-01-2021, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Queens_NYC

I'd probably take the push at 8 returnees, but if I'm forced to take a harder stance, I'd probably take the under at 7.

DD
Mikey
JD
Mason
MAW

all seem very likely to return from my perspective

Tari
Lahkin
Gabe

I think one of these 3 will probably end up closer to home next season.

I can't see a good reason for any of the other 5 to return.

If I had to guess right now, I would think all 8 of those guys are here next year. Gabe being the wildcard. Tari looks to be invested as of now. Talking about the future, and might be trying to help get that beachump guy next year. That could change at any point though but I would guess all of f those guys right now

cincyguy13 · 03-01-2021, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by waterhead

The crazy thing here is that after only 2 years we could see every single Cronin hold over gone. Keith and Dou are all that is left. I can't see any chance of Williams coming back and the odds for Dou are probably less than 50% (from rumors). That is an insane roster turnover.

Add to that Sorolla, Rap and Harvey also abandoned ship. That will be 11 Cronin players out and 3 Brannen players totaling 1 more than a full roster turnover in 2 years. And that is only if no more Brannen players leave early.

For program sake, CJB sake, and all of our mental health I am hoping the turnover trend stops here.

I’d rather all the cronin guys be gone. I love those guys but the sooner they are gone, the sooner we see if this is going work. If we still have guys he didn’t recruit, he can always fall back on that. Let’s see if this thing works or not.

Loser Mentality · 03-01-2021, 02:24 PM

Would Love to see Keith comeback, and up his worth. Of course it looks like John wants him gone from his sideline gestures when Keith has the ball. Of course Keith's whiny disposition doesn't do him any favors.

If he did stay that would be a win for the program (for a year) just my opinion.

Keith has got some shi- to work on.

Just a thought

**sedziobs** · 03-01-2021, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Loser Mentality

Would Love to see Keith comeback, and up his worth. Of course it looks like John wants him gone from his sideline gestures when Keith has the ball. Of course Keith's whiny disposition doesn't do him any favors.

If he did stay that would be a win for the program (for a year) just my opinion.

Keith has got some shi- to work on.

Just a thought

I agree, Keith needs another year to work on his court vision and shooting.

In the postgame Brannen talked about how ball movement is much quicker with the young guys compared to the upperclassmen, and that's how he wants his team to play. Not much of an endorsement for Keith.

cincrulz11 · 03-01-2021, 02:41 PM

I dont think we can really afford another year of 30.1 usage rate with a 94 ORTG out of any player.

**waterhead** · 03-01-2021, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sedziobs

I agree, Keith needs another year to work on his court vision and shooting.

In the postgame Brannen talked about how ball movement is much quicker with the young guys compared to the upperclassmen, and that's how he wants his team to play. Not much of an endorsement for Keith.

I think this year would have been the year to make those improvements considering he tested the market. If it didn't happen this year I am not sure he will see it happen next.

cincyguy13 · 03-01-2021, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Loser Mentality

Would Love to see Keith comeback, and up his worth. Of course it looks like John wants him gone from his sideline gestures when Keith has the ball. Of course Keith's whiny disposition doesn't do him any favors.

If he did stay that would be a win for the program (for a year) just my opinion.

Keith has got some shi- to work on.

Just a thought

I think Keith wants to go. At some point you have to move on from school and make a living. I don’t think Keith has any desire to come back.

Keith could go overseas and make a very good living.

03-01-2021, 11:53 AM	#1
waterhead Senior Moderator Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 9,298	2021-22 Roster An extremely weird year. A lot of speculation about how many open spots we will have for recruits. The short answer is a lot. Hopefully it's not too many more than that. Damn near the entire roster has been speculated about. Some almost sure outs... Williams Harvey Rap Reason to think... Vogt Dou Gabe (and if Gabe maybe Mason) DD Tari Davenport (because apparently one guy heard something) Leaving us with the no speculation heard so far crowd... Mikey MAW Lakhin The max is 9 here with no transfers leaving 4 spots (actually 5 if Vogt doesn't count against). Seems like Dou leaving rumors could make some sense. Who knows on the opt outs Gabe and DD but seems DD likely to come back. I would hope Gabe seeing his twin getting some good run will bring him back. Tari has questionable body language at times and shows a lot of frustration but I hope he sees the potential at the 4. Listening to JD I would count him in. Hoping to see at least this Lakhin Tari Davenport Gabe Mason MAW DD Mikey Over-Under at 8 roster spots filled give or take 2?

03-01-2021, 12:10 PM	#2
waterhead Senior Moderator Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 9,298	The crazy thing here is that after only 2 years we could see every single Cronin hold over gone. Keith and Dou are all that is left. I can't see any chance of Williams coming back and the odds for Dou are probably less than 50% (from rumors). That is an insane roster turnover. Add to that Sorolla, Rap and Harvey also abandoned ship. That will be 11 Cronin players out and 3 Brannen players totaling 1 more than a full roster turnover in 2 years. And that is only if no more Brannen players leave early. For program sake, CJB sake, and all of our mental health I am hoping the turnover trend stops here.

03-01-2021, 12:44 PM	#3
Queens_NYC Epic Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 1,655	I'd probably take the push at 8 returnees, but if I'm forced to take a harder stance, I'd probably take the under at 7. DD Mikey JD Mason MAW all seem very likely to return from my perspective Tari Lahkin Gabe I think one of these 3 will probably end up closer to home next season. I can't see a good reason for any of the other 5 to return.

03-01-2021, 02:24 PM	#6
Loser Mentality Senior Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 134	Would Love to see Keith comeback, and up his worth. Of course it looks like John wants him gone from his sideline gestures when Keith has the ball. Of course Keith's whiny disposition doesn't do him any favors. If he did stay that would be a win for the program (for a year) just my opinion. Keith has got some shi- to work on. Just a thought

03-01-2021, 02:41 PM	#8
cincrulz11 Epic Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,329	I dont think we can really afford another year of 30.1 usage rate with a 94 ORTG out of any player.