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Old 01-09-2021, 05:58 AM   #81
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Davenport seems like the type of glue guy that Cronin loved. Plays hard, defends, rebounds and brings toughness/energy. I think he can develop into more than a role player, but he needs a lot of work.

Right now he's not a guy who can create his own shot and isn't great off the dribble. Also needs to work on his passing. The difference between role player and key player is becoming a creator. Maybe he can get there, but he's not there yet.
Tre Scott couldn’t dribble at all. He could basically do 2 things, rebound and play defense. He never created for anyone. So he wasn’t good? You guys think you can only be good if you are a creator? That definition doesn’t make sense. Nate Hinton for Houston just rebounded and stood in the corner to shoot. Never created. He wasn’t good?

Also, by that definition, how do you invision diarra becoming a good player? He can’t do any of the things you mentioned and you claim he’s going to be a good player. How that work?


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Old 01-09-2021, 06:02 AM   #82
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No, not at all hes just a role player. He wouldn't even be getting these minutes if someone more skillful was ahead of him. He's shooting it well right now, he doesn't really handle the ball too well, not a great rebounder, playmaker, or defender. Hes getting shots bc right now, we dont have an identity on offense which is part of the reason we have to play small ball right now. Players arent really in any definitive roles or positions we are just trying to have a respectable 5 on the court. Davenport is in thier due to attrition... I admire his passion and effort but I dont see him ever being all league, or for that matter an NBA guy. If he accomplishes these things he would def prove me wrong and shut me up for sure
What does the nba have to do with being good in college. Mick didn’t send that many to the nba, but he had good players. You seem to have it in your mind that he isn’t good but he keeps playing good. You don’t have to be an all around player to be good in college.

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Old 01-09-2021, 07:52 AM   #83
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Tre Scott couldn’t dribble at all. He could basically do 2 things, rebound and play defense. He never created for anyone. So he wasn’t good? You guys think you can only be good if you are a creator? That definition doesn’t make sense. Nate Hinton for Houston just rebounded and stood in the corner to shoot. Never created. He wasn’t good?

Also, by that definition, how do you invision diarra becoming a good player? He can’t do any of the things you mentioned and you claim he’s going to be a good player. How that work?
You seem to have read a lot into something I never said. Where did I say Davenport isn't a good player? In fact, I gave him quite a bit of praise. A role player isn't a bad player.

To me, a role player is a guy the opposing team doesn't particularly have to scheme around and a guy who you don't give the ball to in late shot clock or late game situations and expect him to create something. Take senior Justin Jenifer, in my mind he was more on the excellent role player side than a star player. He was great, but he wasn't someone who was going to take over and win the game for you.

Scott was an elite defender and rebounder. He wasn't a guy you give the ball to at the end of the game, but his impact was huge because of his defense and rebounding, he was absolutely a major focus of every teams game plan. It's easier for power forwards (and centers) to be stars because of defense/rebounding than for a guard to do so.

Now looking at Davenport. He probably doesn't have the athleticism to be a three-and-D guy at the NBA level. He's a very good athlete, but not an elite one. That makes it hard for him to have a major impact defensively or rebounding, which means if he's going to become a star, he most likely needs to do so on the offensive end. Which means becoming a better slasher and passer.

Or he remains a role player. A team doesn't need a bunch of stars. Role players and glue guys are a very important part of teams. Guys who aren't stars, but are willing to go in and do the dirty work, spread the floor with the three and give the ball to the star.

A simple comparison would be Davenport and Harvey. Right now, Davenport is the better player. But if I'm picking the guy more likely to become a star and be able to take over a game in a year or two, I'm taking Harvey.
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Old 01-09-2021, 10:15 AM   #84
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You seem to have read a lot into something I never said. Where did I say Davenport isn't a good player? In fact, I gave him quite a bit of praise. A role player isn't a bad player.

To me, a role player is a guy the opposing team doesn't particularly have to scheme around and a guy who you don't give the ball to in late shot clock or late game situations and expect him to create something. Take senior Justin Jenifer, in my mind he was more on the excellent role player side than a star player. He was great, but he wasn't someone who was going to take over and win the game for you.

Scott was an elite defender and rebounder. He wasn't a guy you give the ball to at the end of the game, but his impact was huge because of his defense and rebounding, he was absolutely a major focus of every teams game plan. It's easier for power forwards (and centers) to be stars because of defense/rebounding than for a guard to do so.

Now looking at Davenport. He probably doesn't have the athleticism to be a three-and-D guy at the NBA level. He's a very good athlete, but not an elite one. That makes it hard for him to have a major impact defensively or rebounding, which means if he's going to become a star, he most likely needs to do so on the offensive end. Which means becoming a better slasher and passer.

Or he remains a role player. A team doesn't need a bunch of stars. Role players and glue guys are a very important part of teams. Guys who aren't stars, but are willing to go in and do the dirty work, spread the floor with the three and give the ball to the star.

A simple comparison would be Davenport and Harvey. Right now, Davenport is the better player. But if I'm picking the guy more likely to become a star and be able to take over a game in a year or two, I'm taking Harvey.
You said “key player” I assumed that meant good because my orginal post was, “ what are the chances he’s a good player”. I agree with a lot of what you just said. These guys don’t need to have NBA potential to be good in college. We’ve seen that with jaquan Parker, and a ton of other guys. These guys can just be good college players without being great at everything. Davenport is a sophomore and he’s doing great. There’s a chance he’s just good
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Old 01-09-2021, 11:16 AM   #85
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Davenport could start and be key contributor on winning team. He was missing wing on a lot of teams mick had.
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