01-05-2014, 12:55 PM | #21 | |
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However, it was a serious question because I was curious. I don't follow all of college BB...I just follow the Bearcats. I have no idea how many freshman PG's in the country are getting good minutes or how TC would rank against them. Usually freshman don't play a lot so I am completely in the dark on this one. |
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01-05-2014, 01:45 PM | #23 | |
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As for the mystical specters of flow and chemistry, I'm sorry that's religious not objective. You don't miss shots and turn the ball over because your momentum is off or because the guy next to you has no swagger, you just have poor form/handles/mechanics etc. |
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01-05-2014, 02:33 PM | #24 | |
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Per minute played stats are not fudge factors they are REAL stats. They are used all the time to gain perspective and up until now were perfectly acceptable to make productivity "comparisons". Those stats were simply used as a comparison. You seem to think (even though it has not been said) that people were drawing specific conclusions from those stats...like Troy is as good as insert blank. That didn't happen to my knowledge. As for flow and chemistry they are just two hypothetical examples of things that could POTENTIALLY have a positive affect with more minutes. Dismissing them as mystical is just...well...I will refrain. In football QB's like more time with WR's so they know where they are going to be in routes. In BB PG's would benefit from knowing the other player's tendencies...the more minutes you play with them the more you know. If you think team chemistry is mystical I don't know what to tell you...but you would be one of the very few people who doesn't think that is a sgnificant factor in BB games. I am not arguing that chemistry and flow means Caupain would be better with more minutes. I am not arguing his stats would not get worse because of fatigue. I mentioned them both in my response without a prejudice for either. |
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Just for the sake of defending what I said, You had to assume he was like someone, or you wouldn't have tried a comparative analysis to begin with. You didn't pull those other two players out of a vacuum. You thought you'd compare him to other freshman guards and in doing so, treated all freshman guards as a fixed commodity playing under the same schemes and with the same levels of fatigue and as though they were against the same competition. You invented a creative fiction/false reality, where in Caupain played minutes that he in our world has not. Therefor, the adjusted minutes are a fudge factor, used to make your strawman world seem reasonable when contrasted to our real world. Whether you meant to or not, you used assumptions to demonstrate assumptions. I just don't think that argument is based in reality. These minutes were not played, they don't even exist. They're made up. We have game logs and video footage that demonstrate as much. I just feel saying "if such and such player's minutes were actually this many, he would place here" is like saying "If my car was a fire breathing dragon, I'd have burnt down the work place and claimed any witnesses insane. Who's going to believe them?" A worthless hypothetical, given that I have a SUV and not a dragon there can never be said scenario, likewise Caupain never played such minutes or had such output. But, there comes a point where arguing back and forth is no fun. I don't want a long drawn out debate anyway. |
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However, it was a serious question because I was curious. I don't follow all of college BB...I just follow the Bearcats. I have no idea how many freshman PG's in the country are getting good minutes or how TC would rank against them. Usually freshman don't play a lot so I am completely in the dark on this one. |
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01-05-2014, 03:18 PM | #28 |
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or this one...
That's a great way to break down stats. I love it when stats are put into perspective like this. Here is a question for everyone (because I have no idea)...where would you rank Caupain among the best freshman PG's in the country? |
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Well, I assumed and made an ass out of myself too it seems.
Sorry lol |
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