2019-2020 Open Thread

[skyblade]

My current rough guess at minutes by position.

C: Diarra 20, Vogt 15, Rap 5
PF: Rap 20, Diarra 10, Eason 10.
SF: Williams 30, Harvey 10.
SG: MAW 20, Harvey 10, Gabe 10
PG: Dejulius 25, Saunders 10, MAW 5.

RS: Davenport, Mason.
Prince is a question mark until we learn more. Could take some PF minutes, which would domino effect Eason into minutes at the 3, Harvey minutes at the 2 and fewer minutes for the freshmen guards.

[kskenyon4]

Originally Posted by skyblade

My current rough guess at minutes by position.

C: Diarra 20, Vogt 15, Rap 5
PF: Rap 20, Diarra 10, Eason 10.
SF: Williams 30, Harvey 10.
SG: MAW 20, Harvey 10, Gabe 10
PG: Dejulius 25, Saunders 10, MAW 5.

RS: Davenport, Mason.
Prince is a question mark until we learn more. Could take some PF minutes, which would domino effect Eason into minutes at the 3, Harvey minutes at the 2 and fewer minutes for the freshmen guards.

I don't see a world where Diarra doubles Vogts minutes. I think Eason will play more (hopefully cause he's just that good).

[cincrulz11]

Originally Posted by kskenyon4

I don't see a world where Diarra doubles Vogts minutes. I think Eason will play more (hopefully cause he's just that good).

the odds of diarra getting more minutes than both Vogt and Rap gotta be extremely low. even in Vogt's struggles and Diarra playing better the last 5 games, Diarra only got more minutes than him in 1 of those games.



If Vogt's body couldn't take a year at the 5, what is Diarra's gonna end up like.

[Queens_NYC]

Here's my take on minutes with DeJulius being eligible.

C: Vogt 22, Dou 10, Rap 8
PF: Dou 12, Rap 12, Eason 16
SF: Keith 32, Gabe 8
SG: MAW 10, DDJ 10, Harvey 16, Gabe 4
PG: DDJ 15, Maw 15, Saunders 10

Total Minutes
Keith 32
DDJ 25
MAW 25
Vogt 22
Dou 22
Rap 20
Eason 16
Harvey 16
Gabe 12
Saunders 10

Davenport/Mason: Redshirt or garbage time minutes

[cincyguy13]

Originally Posted by kskenyon4

I don't see a world where Diarra doubles Vogts minutes. I think Eason will play more (hopefully cause he's just that good).

Skyblade would play diarra every game, even if he was playing terrible. Surprised he didn’t put his minutes at 40. I hope diarra is good enough to play more.

[skyblade]

Originally Posted by waterhead

Yah...one specialty of DD was scoring in transition. We are going to be pushing pace for sure. Mikey is also a speedster. Everyone can run but Vogt and it should be no problem because if we miss the opportunity to score early Vogt can lag behind and we can then try to set up offense and feed the post. We don't need 5 guys on the break

I still say Vogt's minutes are going to drop to 15, or perhaps even 10 mpg. You don't need 5 guys on the break, but you do need 5 guys who can get back and defend quickly and defend in a broken down defense situation. Ideally you also want 5 guys who can run on the break. You also want a center who can grab the rebound as a trailer or hit the three as a trailer if he is slow getting on the break.

Vogt is a traditional big man and too much of a statue to fit a running pressing team. Especially as Rap and Diarra both fit the system and should be fairly interchangeable. Against teams that want to run with us, I could see Vogt's minutes dropping below 10. Against slow paced teams, he might get closer to 20 or even 25 minutes.

[kskenyon4]

Originally Posted by Queens_NYC

Here's my take on minutes with DeJulius being eligible.

C: Vogt 22, Dou 10, Rap 8
PF: Dou 12, Rap 12, Eason 16
SF: Keith 32, Gabe 8
SG: MAW 10, DDJ 10, Harvey 16, Gabe 4
PG: DDJ 15, Maw 15, Saunders 10

Total Minutes
Keith 32
DDJ 25
MAW 25
Vogt 22
Dou 22
Rap 20
Eason 16
Harvey 16
Gabe 12
Saunders 10

Davenport/Mason: Redshirt or garbage time minutes

It's nitpicky, but I wouldn't mind Harvey playing 20 minutes a game. Maybe so Keith plays 30, someone else a minute or two. When he finally got healthy, he was playing double digit minutes most games down the stretch. We went 4-1 when he played 12 or more minutes down the stretch. He also is a highly touted recruit, and you know minutes are important.

[skyblade]

Originally Posted by kskenyon4

I don't see a world where Diarra doubles Vogts minutes. I think Eason will play more (hopefully cause he's just that good).

I considered putting Diarra at 5 minutes at PF and Eason 15. But I don't believe in giving a freshman that many minutes until he has proven himself. Even great freshmen can take a year to adjust college and for big men it is even harder. So it came down to Rap vs Diarra for those final 5 minutes and I believe in Diarra more (and I am too lazy to break minutes predictions into chunks smaller than 5). Rap may have trouble adjusting to the higher level of play and I have doubts about his defense and rebounding at the 4 as well.

Also as I've already stated, I don't believe Vogt and Rap can play together. So that limits Rap to either playing PF with Diarra at C or playing center. I could see Rap playing exclusively center (25 mins) and Diarra playing only PF (25-30 mins depending on Eason and Prince).

Prince is an X factor and could take some of those PF minutes. Williams, Harvey or Davenport may also end up playing PF in small ball.

[Chance2017]

Originally Posted by Queens_NYC

Here's my take on minutes with DeJulius being eligible.

C: Vogt 22, Dou 10, Rap 8
PF: Dou 12, Rap 12, Eason 16
SF: Keith 32, Gabe 8
SG: MAW 10, DDJ 10, Harvey 16, Gabe 4
PG: DDJ 15, Maw 15, Saunders 10

Total Minutes
Keith 32
DDJ 25
MAW 25
Vogt 22
Dou 22
Rap 20
Eason 16
Harvey 16
Gabe 12
Saunders 10

Davenport/Mason: Redshirt or garbage time minutes

I think Harvey will be in the 20+ range. JMO

[waterhead]

Originally Posted by Queens_NYC

Here's my take on minutes with DeJulius being eligible.

C: Vogt 22, Dou 10, Rap 8
PF: Dou 12, Rap 12, Eason 16
SF: Keith 32, Gabe 8
SG: MAW 10, DDJ 10, Harvey 16, Gabe 4
PG: DDJ 15, Maw 15, Saunders 10

Total Minutes
Keith 32
DDJ 25
MAW 25
Vogt 22
Dou 22
Rap 20
Eason 16
Harvey 16
Gabe 12
Saunders 10

Davenport/Mason: Redshirt or garbage time minutes

Pretty good breakdown. This should be Keith's year to shine but he is also one of the guys who gets winded a lot. I would probably lower his to the 27-28 range. I think I put him at 30 but that could be too high on my part. DD could also end up in that same range. I think Brannen will take control this year and not let anyone take plays off. He doesn't have to cater to a potential All American or anything like that. We have quality depth now so taking plays off will likely result in taking a break on the bench this year.

Other than that it looks pretty solid. I don't know if MAW will be getting 25 with all the talented guards we have