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Old 01-02-2023, 10:21 AM   #11
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Davenport and Nolley are not the same player. Not even close. From shooting %, basketball IQ, ability, team playing.

Davenport is an unskilled bad shooter with terrible shot selection and a me first attitude.

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Old 01-02-2023, 02:42 PM   #12
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Davenport and Nolley are not the same player. Not even close. From shooting %, basketball IQ, ability, team playing.

Davenport is an unskilled bad shooter with terrible shot selection and a me first attitude.
Yet Davenport leads the team in +/-, so he must be doing something right and Nolley trails behind most of the team Davenport historically is a better shooter than Nolley as well, though it hasn't evened out (yet) this year.

Nolley and Davenport are pretty similar on defense, neither is very good at it. Neither is very good at rebounding either and I'd argue that lack of effort is more of an issue with Nolley than with Davenport.
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Old 01-02-2023, 02:57 PM   #13
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Yet Davenport leads the team in +/-, so he must be doing something right
Not necessarily. There are 9 other players on the floor affecting +/-. I don't think it's a useful stat. Ken Pomeroy agrees with me. You may think it's useful, and Evan Miya agrees with you. Not a given though.

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Old 01-02-2023, 03:02 PM   #14
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We can't afford an off night on offense. But we are going to have off nights (especially on the road it seems).
Throwing up 29 midrange shots isn't an off shooting night. It's a bad gameplan.

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Old 01-02-2023, 04:15 PM   #15
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Yet Davenport leads the team in +/-, so he must be doing something right and Nolley trails behind most of the team Davenport historically is a better shooter than Nolley as well, though it hasn't evened out (yet) this year.

Nolley and Davenport are pretty similar on defense, neither is very good at it. Neither is very good at rebounding either and I'd argue that lack of effort is more of an issue with Nolley than with Davenport.
I think that probably tells you more of the value of that stat than it does about Davenport's performance.

Nolley is better than Davenport in pretty much all aspects. Neither are great on defense but at least Nolley can cause problems with his length.
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Old 01-02-2023, 04:17 PM   #16
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Throwing up 29 midrange shots isn't an off shooting night. It's a bad gameplan.
Agreed, and that's been the gameplan the last two years. The # of midrange shots that are often contested is mind boggling. When they attack the rim and pass the ball they look good on offense, but then they resort back 1on1 streetball. DDJ, who I like, leads them in this and it stalls the offense.

Unfortunately Miller thought too highly of his UNCG guys and it's costing them now rather than just trying to get more HS recruits and stop gap transfers (although his evaluation of transfer talent has been pretty bad so far minus Nolley).
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Old 01-03-2023, 10:55 AM   #17
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I think that probably tells you more of the value of that stat than it does about Davenport's performance.

Nolley is better than Davenport in pretty much all aspects. Neither are great on defense but at least Nolley can cause problems with his length.
Nolley can, but usually doesn't. He reminds me a lot of Keith Williams. The potential, the lack of effort, the inconsistency, the over reliance on mid-range jumpers. Keith got to the the rim more and Nolley has been a better three point shooter.

Keith was popular with the fans for quite a while because of his potential, then went downhill when we relied on him to be the main guy. Hopefully Nolley doesn't has better results when we rely on him next season.
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Old 01-03-2023, 05:02 PM   #18
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Our assist rate is ranked #332 against top 100 competition (4 games so far). Free throw rate is outside the top 200. Those are signs of being outcoached against good teams. Both offensive and defensive rebounding are also outside the top 200. Our overall efficiency is ranked #161, and that's with 39% three point shooting hiding a lot of holes. Just pitiful.
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Our assist rate is ranked #332 against top 100 competition (4 games so far). Free throw rate is outside the top 200. Those are signs of being outcoached against good teams. Both offensive and defensive rebounding are also outside the top 200. Our overall efficiency is ranked #161, and that's with 39% three point shooting hiding a lot of holes. Just pitiful.
Looking just at the statistics from our 4 top 100 games (a small sample size). The only players who stand out as positives are Lakhin and MAW. MAW's rebound rate in those games is almost level with Nolley/Davenport (which I think says more about Nolley/Davenport than it does about MAW), his assist/TO rate is by far the best and he has almost as many close 2 attempts as everyone not named Lakhin, Ody and Skillings combined (he's shooting "only" 50% on them, but that's still better than a far two).

On the negative, DDJ's shooting percentage stands out. DDJ really struggles against big guards. Davenport hasn't made a single two pointer against top 100 competition. Nobody has a good assist rate (MAW is close).

As you said, there aren't a lot of positives to be found. Let's hope the threes keep falling or it will start getting really ugly.
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