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Old 02-22-2020, 05:17 PM   #271
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Here’s the different between Quadri and Diarra


Quadri played in a Matchup zone where mick could hide poor defenders.


But in this system it’s far less hiding and way more one on one defense. So Diarra’s numbers would be much more accurate.


I can tell you with 100% certainty that Diarra is better defender than Vogt. It’s not close.

But that doesn’t mean he should play over Vogt.


That said, Vogt was an impact player in this league before the teams in it figured out his tendencies. He went from looking like a first team all league guy, to now the 4th option on this team.


I believe in the synergy numbers. They are the most in depth possession by possession stats that you can purchase, and it’s the se stuff that coaches use.

But anything In small sample size is deceiving. Diarra makes a crap ton of mistakes but they usually revolve the offensive end. He may make a poor rotation every now and again, but In general, if your try to score on Diarra it isn’t going to go well
I agree, I knew Diarra was a much better defender than Vogt well before you posted the synergy numbers. The numbers just confirm what I saw and what I'd been saying.

Just watch the games, teams consistently target Vogt and our defensive provides help to Vogt. Diarra makes more mental errors, but he is the much better defender (and much better rebounder).
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Old 02-22-2020, 05:20 PM   #272
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I agree, I knew Diarra was a much better defender than Vogt well before you posted the synergy numbers. The numbers just confirm what I saw and what I'd been saying.

Just watch the games, teams consistently target Vogt and our defensive provides help to Vogt. Diarra makes more mental errors, but he is the much better defender (and much better rebounder).
But the mental errors are impossible to overcome. Constantly out of position. I would say at least a third of the time he is in he is playing in a 1-3-1
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Old 02-22-2020, 05:30 PM   #273
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But the mental errors are impossible to overcome. Constantly out of position. I would say at least a third of the time he is in he is playing in a 1-3-1
As I said earlier, he was +6 against UCF in the first half, when everyone said he played terrible. He does a lot right and it makes up for a lot of the mistakes. One example is both his TO's were off his own offensive rebounds - a good play and a mistake that cancel each other out and net no real impact.

He can obviously play much better then he has, but that's why I think he has a ton of potential. When he plays mistake free he is excellent, when he plays like normal he is still good enough to be on the court as a backup. The only game lately where he played so bad he didn't belong on the court is against UConn.
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Old 02-22-2020, 05:41 PM   #274
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Not trying to be rude here, but you seriously need a break from sports or at least basketball.
We sleep in May
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Old 02-22-2020, 06:36 PM   #275
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Here’s the different between Quadri and Diarra


Quadri played in a Matchup zone where mick could hide poor defenders.


But in this system it’s far less hiding and way more one on one defense. So Diarra’s numbers would be much more accurate.


I can tell you with 100% certainty that Diarra is better defender than Vogt. It’s not close.

But that doesn’t mean he should play over Vogt.


That said, Vogt was an impact player in this league before the teams in it figured out his tendencies. He went from looking like a first team all league guy, to now the 4th option on this team.


I believe in the synergy numbers. They are the most in depth possession by possession stats that you can purchase, and it’s the se stuff that coaches use.

But anything In small sample size is deceiving. Diarra makes a crap ton of mistakes but they usually revolve the offensive end. He may make a poor rotation every now and again, but In general, if your try to score on Diarra it isn’t going to go well
I’m fine with diarra. He is very mobile, which helps on defense. I’ve never said Vogt was better on defense. Not sure anyone has. Diarra does a lot of dumb things that hurt the team. My thing with diarra is when people act like he’s the missing link. He’s at best, at this stage in his career, A role player that should get 5-10 minutes a game. Depending on if he’s completely unplayable. Which happens a lot. I wish he was really good. It would help the team if he was. I’m sure brannen wishes he was too. Vogt hasn’t been good recently. No debate. Problem is we had a person wanting to play diarra over Vogt when Vogt was averaging 14-7 on 70% shooting. It’s hard to take people like that seriously.

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Old 02-22-2020, 06:49 PM   #276
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Diarra strength is his help defense and pick and roll defense. 1v1 he usually isn’t as good. He struggles in the post because he can get sealed fairly easy and he gets blown by when he is on the perimeter, because he is face guarding. He also over help a lot.

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Old 02-22-2020, 06:54 PM   #277
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Diarra strength is his help defense and pick and roll defense. 1v1 he usually isn’t as good. He struggles in the post because he can get sealed fairly easy and he gets blown by when he is on the perimeter, because he is face guarding. He also over help a lot.

In a small sample size Diarra’s post up defense is absolutely elite

.56 ppp Better then 90% of D1

His spot of defense is .64

He’s only covered the pick and roll man 7 times all year so not enough data
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Old 02-22-2020, 07:13 PM   #278
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In a small sample size Diarra’s post up defense is absolutely elite

.56 ppp Better then 90% of D1

His spot of defense is .64

He’s only covered the pick and roll man 7 times all year so not enough data
Doesn’t have to cover the pick and roll man, can hedge then recover. Something Vogt can’t do. Not sure how the data would even calculate stuff like that, if it doesn’t know what he’s supposed to be doing in the first place.
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Old 02-22-2020, 07:25 PM   #279
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In a small sample size Diarra’s post up defense is absolutely elite

.56 ppp Better then 90% of D1

His spot of defense is .64

He’s only covered the pick and roll man 7 times all year so not enough data
They usually prevent the ball handler from driving to the middle, while the big helps, giving the defender time to recover. They rarely out right switch. Diarra is good at this because he can recover faster.
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Old 02-22-2020, 10:05 PM   #280
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In a small sample size Diarra’s post up defense is absolutely elite

.56 ppp Better then 90% of D1

His spot of defense is .64

He’s only covered the pick and roll man 7 times all year so not enough data
Small sample size is exactly why you can't use the stats. You make it appear you understand stats but it's obvious you don't. You and Skyblade just throw out stats that attempt to support your position. Diarra is anything but an elite post defender. Average at best
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