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Because we win the games...is not a very good excuse to come out slow either. Eventually it could cost you. It doesn't have to cost you if you can figure it out. We need every advantage we can get...fast starts included. |
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01-24-2018, 04:53 PM | #12 |
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It's pretty simple why Cane doesn't start. Justin plays much better defense in Cronin's half court switching zone defense he runs...essentially he doesn't get lost and lose his man in it. Also, he takes care of the ball and isn't as careless with the ball with passes. And he doesn't go rogue on offense and put up ill advised shots. Cane came out doing all three of these things and that will simply not sit well with Cronin. Cronin trusts the ball in Justin's hands and doesn't in Cane's. He trusts Jenifer to run his system and game plan. He's found a role for Cane and Cane has been wildly successful giving a scoring boost off the bench when a change of pace is needed and also does well in the press when Cronin likes to sub in guys to all out full court press. Cronin cares more about running an offense and game plan and not making mistakes you can control than he does someone's ability to dribble around a defense and put up any shot he wants. We don't start slow because Cane isn't in there. Cane doesn't make Clark make bunnies as opposed to missing them. He doesn't make Evans come alive. He doesn't make Cumberland start making open threes as opposed to missing them. I, too, am getting tired of hearing this argument day after day, thread after thread and year after year. Cronin has a game plan and expects his players to run it, plain and simple. I heard an interview with Terry Nelson the other day asking about Justin and Cane and he said these same things. "Defense and taking care of the ball." Cronin doesn't full court all-out press to start the game. He also works the ball inside purposefully to establish that. Cane off the bench makes sense. Sure he's a better individual player, Cronin knows that and it's why Cane is in there in crunch time. But Cronin isn't going to change his game plan to accommodate one player because he's flashy and can score. We need 70 points to win. Whether Cane scores 30 or 0 is of little consequence if we score 70 and hold our opponent to 60. That's what Cronin wants and cares about.
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01-24-2018, 05:32 PM | #14 |
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Cane has definitely improved and I think will continue to do so. Other than improved shooting I don't see Justin's game getting much better. Cane has a much higher ceiling. My point on him has always been one player is not above the team and we will never run an offense centered toward letting Cane or anybody creating offense for themselves.
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With that said, I've seen him catch a defense sleeping and drive for an easy layup numerous times and he's good at finding it and looking for it. Seen Jenifer do it as well but not as much. But that opportunity comes along maybe once a game on average. Not a difference maker and not enough to count on to throw out a game plan. I mean I get it, canes a better player. Literally no one would ever argue he isn't. The point I try to make is that Mick expects A, B and C from his players and Cane doesn't fully meet that criteria. Whether we agree with that is pointless, it's the reality that has always been and will always be. |
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To add to my last thought, Cane is looking to score himself first which is why he'll try to catch a defense sleeping, whereas Jenifer is looking to get into the offense. Mick's been here ten years, who here thinks he prefers the former or the latter? Like I said we can argue Mick's strategy and game plan but it will never change. Also, most people don't really understand our defense when watching it to see who plays well in it and who doesn't, but Cane didn't catch on right away. Terry Nelson said as much the other day. This is the EXACT reason Kevin Johnson started over Cobb for so long and got so many minutes last year over Cumberland. People really seem to fail how much importance Mick places on being able to understand and play his defense the right way. When Cronin said KJ was his best defender it wasn't cause he could shut anyone down one on one cause frankly he couldn't. Clark and Evans could, but KJ was his best defender. Why? Cause he literally directed that defense. When he was in as opposed to being out of games the amount of points scored against us was night and day. I'm getting off topic, but my point is Mick runs a specific defense first then offense. He does this to control the controlables. If you fit this system you'll play and get minutes. He has plenty of scoring options with Clark, evans, Washington, Cumberland, he doesn't need Cane to go out there and do what he can do if it doesn't fit the team concept.
I'm not dogging Cane and he is learning and playing much smarter. He will continue to get rewarded for this. But I still see him and Cane going at it some in timeouts, etc. Cane simply hasn't fully bought into Cronin ball and that's why he doesn't start. |
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I think your view of Cronin's handling og Broome is strict. I feel like it's loosening up more and more as he learns the structure of winning basketball at this level. And just the fact that Broome regularly pushes plays a bigger role than just the time or 2 he does get all the way to the hoop. He just draws so much attention from the defense. And it's not just Broome for that, but Evans and Cumberland too. The other day Evans pushed, it wasn't there, he circled back out to the 3 point line, confusion on a switch bc the guy who picked up Evans in transition wasn't his man, then boom Evans has a wide open 3. I don't care if something like that only happens once, it doesn't hurt to pull it back out and reset. Jenifer just doesn't have the size or agility for that to be part of what we try to accomplish when he's in. Again, I'm not getting into the starting or slow start thing. I think you underestimate how valuable it can be to have a guy constantly pressuring the defense in transition and forcing them to be perfect every time. That threat can help our defensive rebounding too. It's more than just oh hey look we got 2 extra points one time. |
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01-24-2018, 06:27 PM | #20 |
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This isn't punishment of some kind against broome for not "buying into the system." I just don't believe that one bit.
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