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**waterhead** · 01-11-2021, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by waterhead

Harvey in last 4 games is averaging close to 25pts per 40 minutes. He's not turning it over too much, gets a few rebounds, and plays decent defense. He can shoot and get to the rack. I think it's time to reward him with his first start.

Over the same stretch MAW is averaging about 11pts per 40. I don't see MAW standing out in many other areas and I don't think his D is enough to make up for that scoring differential.

TheLivingLegend · 01-11-2021, 10:24 AM

More Mason. More harvey.

We need guys that can make offensive plays. Mason shooting is crucial. Space the floor for small ball.. allowing harvey to dribble drive to the rim.

MAW is a backup 1 or 2 at this point. Saunders shouldn't see any time frankly. Can't shoot. Turnovers. And undersized.

**sedziobs** · 01-11-2021, 10:33 AM

MAW is the epitome of a role player. His usage rate is only 15, and he doesn't create much at all. He's sort of a 3 and D guard at this point. I think he plays a lot because he doesn't turn the ball over. That's valuable as part of the rotation, but he shouldn't be second on the team in minutes. Since his role isn't much different from Mason, I think MAW should be limited to around 25 minutes, with Mason getting 15.

TheLivingLegend · 01-11-2021, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sedziobs

MAW is the epitome of a role player. His usage rate is only 15, and he doesn't create much at all. He's sort of a 3 and D guard at this point. I think he plays a lot because he doesn't turn the ball over. That's valuable as part of the rotation, but he shouldn't be second on the team in minutes. Since his role isn't much different from Mason, I think MAW should be limited to around 25 minutes, with Mason getting 15.

Agreed. MaW likely better defender.. Mason a better shooter.

MaW quitting on a fast break dunk was the worst bearcat plays I've seen in a decade. Unfathomable. Embarrassing. I would have lost my mind coaching.

**waterhead** · 01-11-2021, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sedziobs

MAW is the epitome of a role player. His usage rate is only 15, and he doesn't create much at all. He's sort of a 3 and D guard at this point. I think he plays a lot because he doesn't turn the ball over. That's valuable as part of the rotation, but he shouldn't be second on the team in minutes. Since his role isn't much different from Mason, I think MAW should be limited to around 25 minutes, with Mason getting 15.

He did a much better job of creating going downhill from the top of the key before Jaron took over PG duties. He leans heavy on his left hand and doesn't have the skills to do the same thing from the wing or his right side. As far as getting to the rack he is kind of a one trick pony. But he is a good finisher. Capable shooter.

If he plays on the wing he is limited in other words...going right to left. Harvey is much more versatile with his play making. And right now he's shooting lights out from3.

**waterhead** · 01-11-2021, 01:44 PM

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Agreed. MaW likely better defender.. Mason a better shooter.

MaW quitting on a fast break dunk was the worst bearcat plays I've seen in a decade. Unfathomable. Embarrassing. I would have lost my mind coaching.

I agree on Mason and Zach but MAW was not going to be able to make a play on that dunk without a technical foul IMO. I would have liked to see him try to get in position to make a play but that play was likely over before it started and I think MAW knew it. He had too much ground to make up in just a couple of seconds. I could be wrong...

**waterhead** · 01-11-2021, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLivingLegend

More Mason. More harvey.

We need guys that can make offensive plays. Mason shooting is crucial. Space the floor for small ball.. allowing harvey to dribble drive to the rim.

MAW is a backup 1 or 2 at this point. Saunders shouldn't see any time frankly. Can't shoot. Turnovers. And undersized.

The dark side is we lost. The bright side is that Brannen can keep infusing the younger players that fit the system better without too much push back. The vets have had their chance to prove they deserve the minutes. Keith is still valuable but not an alpha. Vogt, Dou, and MAW are not lighting it up. Davenport has been very good...and Harvey is coming on strong. Time to see what Mason can do. We have seen Mikey and he might be a year or two away yet. That is fine because we have DD. Gabe will get his chance after Williams leaves.

TheLivingLegend · 01-11-2021, 02:02 PM

Gabe needs to get back on campus and get game reps. Won't lie in limited time Mason looked better.

**waterhead** · 01-11-2021, 02:31 PM

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Gabe needs to get back on campus and get game reps. Won't lie in limited time Mason looked better.

I can't argue with Mason looking better in limited minutes. But Gabe is behind Williams, Harvey, sometimes Davenport at the 3. There aren't minutes at the 3 available (at all). So he would have to back up the 2 where he has MAW, Harvey, Mason to deal with. Mason can probably back up the 2 or the 1 and his defense is reportedly better. I am guessing they both shoot about the same. Mason has an easier path. But I would like to see Gabe get some minutes in preparation for next year. Just not sure they are there at the moment without some significant news breaking.

0-5 mpg isn't going to help much

itsamemario · 01-11-2021, 02:37 PM

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I can't argue with Mason looking better in limited minutes. But Gabe is behind Williams, Harvey, sometimes Davenport at the 3. There aren't minutes at the 3 available (at all). So he would have to back up the 2 where he has MAW, Harvey, Mason to deal with. Mason can probably back up the 2 or the 1 and his defense is reportedly better. I am guessing they both shoot about the same. Mason has an easier path. But I would like to see Gabe get some minutes in preparation for next year. Just not sure they are there at the moment without some significant news breaking.

0-5 mpg isn't going to help much

Gabe is shooting himself in the foot here. It shouldnt be about playing time at the moment.

He currently isnt allowed in the weight room. He isnt allowed to work with the strength coach and he isnt allowed to be practicing with the team. Those 3 things are just as important as anything else right now. And he isnt getting any of that. He will come in next year still behind the ball on what it takes to see the floor.

01-11-2021, 10:24 AM	#102
TheLivingLegend Epic Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Nati Posts: 3,837	More Mason. More harvey. We need guys that can make offensive plays. Mason shooting is crucial. Space the floor for small ball.. allowing harvey to dribble drive to the rim. MAW is a backup 1 or 2 at this point. Saunders shouldn't see any time frankly. Can't shoot. Turnovers. And undersized.

01-11-2021, 10:33 AM	#103
sedziobs Senior Moderator Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 2,395	MAW is the epitome of a role player. His usage rate is only 15, and he doesn't create much at all. He's sort of a 3 and D guard at this point. I think he plays a lot because he doesn't turn the ball over. That's valuable as part of the rotation, but he shouldn't be second on the team in minutes. Since his role isn't much different from Mason, I think MAW should be limited to around 25 minutes, with Mason getting 15.

01-11-2021, 02:02 PM	#108
TheLivingLegend Epic Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Nati Posts: 3,837	Gabe needs to get back on campus and get game reps. Won't lie in limited time Mason looked better.