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Old 12-07-2017, 07:02 AM   #81
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After a week like this I don't feel quite as bad about the X game. 6 teams above us in the polls lost proving many teams are still going through some growing pains. If we can get the Cane Broome from Saturday going forward we can still have a great season.

I did not want to see FLA lose but at the same time we have learned they are beatable. I think we will come out swinging.
Come out swinging. Yes. We need to to try to get up big, and figuratively step on their throats. Have a comfortable lead. Not be satisfied with trading baskets early on. It's a mentality.
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:30 AM   #82
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All we can do now (or ever do) is win the games on our schedule. Win as many as you can and let the committee do the seeding. No sense in worrying about it now.

Even if Florida falls out of the top 25 it will still be a column 1 win for our team sheet and the committee. UCLA is going to be the same. They may not be "signature wins"...but they will still count in a big way.

We still need to win this game!!
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:31 AM   #83
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I actually think Florida May make UC less timid.

Who ever loses this game is out of the polls.
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:33 AM   #84
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All we can do now (or ever do) is win the games on our schedule. Win as many as you can and let the committee do the seeding. No sense in worrying about it now.

Even if Florida falls out of the top 25 it will still be a column 1 win for our team sheet and the committee. UCLA is going to be the same. They may not be "signature wins"...but they will still count in a big way.

We still need to win this game!!
I’m more concerned about ucla sucking then florida. Ucla barely beat Wisconsin and barely beat Georgia tech then got whomped by creighton. But Aaron holiday in their building will be tough
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:41 AM   #85
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Come out swinging. Yes. We need to to try to get up big, and figuratively step on their throats. Have a comfortable lead. Not be satisfied with trading baskets early on. It's a mentality.
I am unsure if we have that mentality. I am waiting to see the toughness, aggressiveness and attitude from our guys. Really haven't seen it this year. Schedule has been weak which has not challenged our players. IMO, we have looked soft all year. Hope last Saturday was a wake up call.
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:52 AM   #86
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Some interesting tidbits on what is important to at least one committee member...with team RPI being a starting point. This was obviously before the changes to team sheet columns.

Q: OK, wise guy, answer the original question. What does get considered?
A: It comes down to three questions: Who did you beat? Who beat you? Where did you play them? With that in mind, the things that do matter are:
1. Quality wins. This is typically wins against teams in the top 50 of the RPI, but also wins over anyone selected as at-large quality or under consideration for an at-large spot.
2. Record against better teams. How did a team do vs. the top 25, top 50, top 100 in the RPI?
3. Bad losses. Usually a loss to a team ranked below 100. Obviously, this is a negative. Losses to teams below 200 are especially bad. Teams rarely get at-large bids with more than four bad losses.
4. Strength of schedule, especially non-conference strength of schedule. At least one team gets left out of the tournament almost every year primarily because of a very poor non-conference schedule.
5. Good record away from home. The tournament isn't played on home courts, so the committee wants to see teams perform well away from home.

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Old 12-07-2017, 07:58 AM   #87
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Some interesting tidbits on what is important to at least one committee member...with team RPI being a starting point. This was obviously before the changes to team sheet columns.

Q: OK, wise guy, answer the original question. What does get considered?
A: It comes down to three questions: Who did you beat? Who beat you? Where did you play them? With that in mind, the things that do matter are:
1. Quality wins. This is typically wins against teams in the top 50 of the RPI, but also wins over anyone selected as at-large quality or under consideration for an at-large spot.
2. Record against better teams. How did a team do vs. the top 25, top 50, top 100 in the RPI?
3. Bad losses. Usually a loss to a team ranked below 100. Obviously, this is a negative. Losses to teams below 200 are especially bad. Teams rarely get at-large bids with more than four bad losses.
4. Strength of schedule, especially non-conference strength of schedule. At least one team gets left out of the tournament almost every year primarily because of a very poor non-conference schedule.
5. Good record away from home. The tournament isn't played on home courts, so the committee wants to see teams perform well away from home.
So it basically goes like this...

1. Team RPI to start it off
2. # of quality wins
3. % of quality wins vs games played against them
4. Bad losses
5. SOS...especially OOC
6. Road and neutral wins or %
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Old 12-07-2017, 08:03 AM   #88
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So it basically goes like this...

1. Team RPI to start it off
2. # of quality wins
3. % of quality wins vs games played against them
4. Bad losses
5. SOS...especially OOC
6. Road and neutral wins or %
Q: What does the committee consider when selecting and seeding teams?
A: It's easier to answer what they don't consider…
1. Having a great coach.
2. What a team has done in the past.
3. The name on the front of the jersey. Or the back.
4. Fan support/potential ticket sales/potential TV ratings. This isn't the bowls.
5. "Friends" on the committee.
6. Number of teams from a conference. If every team from a conference is deserving of selection, they'll all get in.
7. Conference standings. Teams are judged on their entire seasons, not just the conference part. Conference standings are pretty meaningless anyway because of imbalanced schedules in almost every league.
8. Number of wins. It's much more about quality than quantity.
9. How a team finishes. This is a relatively recent change in the committee's thinking. Teams can help or hurt themselves as much in November as they can in March. The games count the same.
10. Sagarin, KenPom, and other ratings. They aren't important on their own.
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Q: What does the committee consider when selecting and seeding teams?
A: It's easier to answer what they don't consider…
1. Having a great coach.
2. What a team has done in the past.
3. The name on the front of the jersey. Or the back.
4. Fan support/potential ticket sales/potential TV ratings. This isn't the bowls.
5. "Friends" on the committee.
6. Number of teams from a conference. If every team from a conference is deserving of selection, they'll all get in.
7. Conference standings. Teams are judged on their entire seasons, not just the conference part. Conference standings are pretty meaningless anyway because of imbalanced schedules in almost every league.
8. Number of wins. It's much more about quality than quantity.
9. How a team finishes. This is a relatively recent change in the committee's thinking. Teams can help or hurt themselves as much in November as they can in March. The games count the same.
10. Sagarin, KenPom, and other ratings. They aren't important on their own.
Also of note in the article is that conference tourney wins don't really count unless you win the tourney. Winning the tourney can be a minor factor.
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Old 12-07-2017, 08:06 AM   #90
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So it basically goes like this...

1. Team RPI to start it off
2. # of quality wins
3. % of quality wins vs games played against them
4. Bad losses
5. SOS...especially OOC
6. Road and neutral wins or %
#5 is the only thing out of our control at this point and one game against X
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