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Old 12-04-2019, 03:26 PM   #131
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i mean scott played 76% of the minutes last year, this year he's at 72.5%. he hasn't had a back up either year.


no way Vogt can do it all year, but luckily his back up will be back before the end of 2019.


we ran scott and cumberland into the ground last year but i don't remember anybody saying just play a guy that hurts us, so they can rest.
Not sure where you get that idea. Not developing depth was a common issue of Cronin and something many (including myself) complained about.

But Cronin's scheme also allowed players to rest. There were times last year where we had Cumberland just stand at half court and we played 4v4 on offense to give Cumberland a breather. Defensively Cumberland would also find ways to take possessions off. Scott seems to have the energy, but Brannen's system seems more energy intensive on him as well.

Center is an even harder position to rest at and the one where developing depth is almost essential. If Vogt gets into foul trouble - which he has avoided much better than I expected - we are going to be playing an unknown a lot of minutes. Not saying we should lose games to give depth experience (though I believe some argued that it would be worth it in prior years), but up 20 against Vermont, we should be developing the depth behind Vogt.

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Old 12-04-2019, 03:55 PM   #132
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Not sure where you get that idea. Not developing depth was a common issue of Cronin and something many (including myself) complained about.

But Cronin's scheme also allowed players to rest. There were times last year where we had Cumberland just stand at half court and we played 4v4 on offense to give Cumberland a breather. Defensively Cumberland would also find ways to take possessions off. Scott seems to have the energy, but Brannen's system seems more energy intensive on him as well.

Center is an even harder position to rest at and the one where developing depth is almost essential. If Vogt gets into foul trouble - which he has avoided much better than I expected - we are going to be playing an unknown a lot of minutes. Not saying we should lose games to give depth experience (though I believe some argued that it would be worth it in prior years), but up 20 against Vermont, we should be developing the depth behind Vogt.
If you watched the game you would not be saying this. Davenport and Diarra were terrible. Every time they were put in the game, Vermont started making a run.
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Old 12-04-2019, 04:06 PM   #133
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If you watched the game you would not be saying this. Davenport and Diarra were terrible. Every time they were put in the game, Vermont started making a run.


Yeah im sure brannen would have liked to rest guys, but the game went from a 22 point lead to 11 in 3 minutes. with how we've been closing games out, brannen couldn't afford to play back ups at that point.




tougher schedule + worse team and more games are gonna be close. guys are just going to have to tough it out. Vogt will get rest with Sorolla comes back.


Tre probably has to play a ton of minutes all year, just like last year.
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Old 12-04-2019, 04:13 PM   #134
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If Vogt gets into foul trouble - which he has avoided much better than I expected - we are going to be playing an unknown a lot of minutes. Not saying we should lose games to give depth experience (though I believe some argued that it would be worth it in prior years)


people advocated losing games to get bench players minutes?



like that was a real thing that happened?
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Old 12-04-2019, 04:13 PM   #135
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Yeah im sure brannen would have liked to rest guys, but the game went from a 22 point lead to 11 in 3 minutes. with how we've been closing games out, brannen couldn't afford to play back ups at that point.




tougher schedule + worse team and more games are gonna be close. guys are just going to have to tough it out. Vogt will get rest with Sorolla comes back.


Tre probably has to play a ton of minutes all year, just like last year.
Agree. Canít afford to lose games to rest guys. The truth is, there is no one else that can play, I wish there was. Diarra hardly played with the coach that recruited him. He is probably more lost than ever. Itís a bad situation for him but To this point, there is nothing that suggest heís a good basketball player or will be anytime soon. We all wish he was good.

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Old 12-04-2019, 04:22 PM   #136
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people advocated losing games to get bench players minutes?



like that was a real thing that happened?
Maybe just person. I believe I recall at least one person (maybe one of the Mick haters on the csnbbs forum) arguing that it would be worth losing an additional game or two in November/December in order to develop depth for March.
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Maybe just person. I believe I recall at least one person (maybe one of the Mick haters on the csnbbs forum) arguing that it would be worth losing an additional game or two in November/December in order to develop depth for March.
If we can afford it, yes develop the bench. Not sure we are in that position. Also, the players you are developing have to show some promise. They canít be a total mess.
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You obviously don't remember how that S.O.B. Kelly deserted his team right before the bowl game. I've rooted vs. ND every game they've played since. I won't even watch them.
I hate the way Kelly left, but this sore loser s*** is the reason we lost so many fans after the Huggins departure.
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Not sure where you get that idea. Not developing depth was a common issue of Cronin and something many (including myself) complained about.

But Cronin's scheme also allowed players to rest. There were times last year where we had Cumberland just stand at half court and we played 4v4 on offense to give Cumberland a breather. Defensively Cumberland would also find ways to take possessions off. Scott seems to have the energy, but Brannen's system seems more energy intensive on him as well.

Center is an even harder position to rest at and the one where developing depth is almost essential. If Vogt gets into foul trouble - which he has avoided much better than I expected - we are going to be playing an unknown a lot of minutes. Not saying we should lose games to give depth experience (though I believe some argued that it would be worth it in prior years), but up 20 against Vermont, we should be developing the depth behind Vogt.
Yeah he was so bad at developing he turned 4-5 sub 100 guys into pros
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Old 12-07-2019, 02:03 PM   #140
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I hate the way Kelly left, but this sore loser s*** is the reason we lost so many fans after the Huggins departure.
Not a sore loser - but I respect people with moral character and Kelly doesn't qualify.
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