22-23 Team Discussion

TheRealMick · 04-16-2022, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by sedziobs

Why are we comparing Ezikpe to Davenport? They are completely different players. I was pointing out that if Ody can play the 4 it might push Davenport to the 3 or bench. We all know Davenport is a tweener who isn't quick enough for the 3 and too weak for the 4. But we want his shooting on the floor. Regardless of what Chad says, I think we can move him around depending on who else we bring in. If we can't land any quality guards, it might make sense to go big. I'd rather do that than start MAW again. On a good team Davenport is a bench player.

Rather have JD and MAW on bench. We need last two spots go above rim PG and wing. Gaines would've been perfect fit at PG, Wes wanted keep all scholarships open for next year. He's out his rabbit mind if think we're going win in Big12 with team full of FR and SO.

**sedziobs** · 04-16-2022, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRealMick

Rather have JD and MAW on bench. We need last two spots go above rim PG and wing. Gaines would've been perfect fit at PG, Wes wanted keep all scholarships open for next year. He's out his rabbit mind if think we're going win in Big12 with team full of FR and SO.

Right, keeping a spot open for Collier doesn't mean we have to have zero PG on the roster. We can bring in a multi-year guy especially if he's a combo guard.

**waterhead** · 04-17-2022, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRealMick

Rather have JD and MAW on bench. We need last two spots go above rim PG and wing. Gaines would've been perfect fit at PG, Wes wanted keep all scholarships open for next year. He's out his rabbit mind if think we're going win in Big12 with team full of FR and SO.

The long term goal is to compete for Big 12. We would like it to be year 1 but year 2 or 3 is fine if we can make it happen that way. We aren’t even competing for AAC right now. Let’s keep things in perspective.

TheRealMick · 04-18-2022, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by waterhead

The long term goal is to compete for Big 12. We would like it to be year 1 but year 2 or 3 is fine if we can make it happen that way. We aren’t even competing for AAC right now. Let’s keep things in perspective.

In specific case of Gaines, you don't pass up on him now for chance at Collier two years from now. If we're going all in on freshman PG, he needs established JR/SR around him. Not to mention at this point Gaines is better than Collier, Rayvon, Skillings, and Reed. You take the best guys now and worry about hurting feelings later.

TheRealMick · 04-18-2022, 12:43 PM

And here where we would've had upper hand. Collier and Gaines workout together with same trainer. We couldn't been more blessed with that situation.

TheRealMick · 04-19-2022, 10:26 AM

Went to Rayvon IG this morning. First thing I noticed he had 513 under bio.

skyblade · 04-20-2022, 07:04 PM

Rob Phinisee has committed. I'd add more, but I'm not particularly excited.

Lefty · 04-20-2022, 07:35 PM

Yep, a bit disappointed as well but guess I’m
not suprised.

skyblade · 04-20-2022, 08:08 PM

A little more on Phinisee, he's really bad at shooting. Worse than MAW bad. His assist and TO rates are also worse than MAW's. He is supposed to be an excellent defender - though EvanMiya gives reason to think he might just be very good - and has good rebound, steal and block rates for his size (better than MAW is all three categories), his foul rate is pretty high for a guard though.

His best shooting percentage on far 2's in his career (4 seasons) is .260%, his best shooting percentage from 3 is .33% and he's a career .290% 3 pt shooter. A lingering injury is claimed to have effected him last year, but I see no reason to believe it effected his shooting. He's a really bad shooter no matter what season you look at.

The only glimmer of hope on offense is his close 2 rate has only been bad 2 out of 4 years and has been closer to average the other 2. He may be a little better at finishing at the rim than MAW. Though I imagine it's hard for him to get there when there's no reason to respect his shot from beyond 10 ft.

I'd rate him as an wash for Saunders based on Saunders last season, however Saunders had a lot more potential to improve. This year I think Saunders would have been (and probably will be at Utah) a better player. So a downgrade vs Saunders for next year. Hopefully we add a better third transfer, or Skillngs/Reed manage to contribute quickly at the wing next year.

**sedziobs** · 04-20-2022, 08:15 PM

Phinisee and MAW sharing PG duties means we need to get more offense from the 3 and 5 positions. And we're going to be very small at just about every position. Hopefully Phinisee lives up to his defensive reputation and can do a better job of penetrating than our MAW/Saunders pairing last year.

04-18-2022, 12:43 PM	#175
TheRealMick Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 1,016	And here where we would've had upper hand. Collier and Gaines workout together with same trainer. We couldn't been more blessed with that situation.

04-19-2022, 10:26 AM	#176
TheRealMick Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 1,016	Went to Rayvon IG this morning. First thing I noticed he had 513 under bio.

04-20-2022, 07:04 PM	#177
skyblade Epic Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 1,790	Rob Phinisee has committed. I'd add more, but I'm not particularly excited.

04-20-2022, 07:35 PM	#178
Lefty Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 129	Yep, a bit disappointed as well but guess I’m not suprised.

04-20-2022, 08:08 PM	#179
skyblade Epic Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 1,790	A little more on Phinisee, he's really bad at shooting. Worse than MAW bad. His assist and TO rates are also worse than MAW's. He is supposed to be an excellent defender - though EvanMiya gives reason to think he might just be very good - and has good rebound, steal and block rates for his size (better than MAW is all three categories), his foul rate is pretty high for a guard though. His best shooting percentage on far 2's in his career (4 seasons) is .260%, his best shooting percentage from 3 is .33% and he's a career .290% 3 pt shooter. A lingering injury is claimed to have effected him last year, but I see no reason to believe it effected his shooting. He's a really bad shooter no matter what season you look at. The only glimmer of hope on offense is his close 2 rate has only been bad 2 out of 4 years and has been closer to average the other 2. He may be a little better at finishing at the rim than MAW. Though I imagine it's hard for him to get there when there's no reason to respect his shot from beyond 10 ft. I'd rate him as an wash for Saunders based on Saunders last season, however Saunders had a lot more potential to improve. This year I think Saunders would have been (and probably will be at Utah) a better player. So a downgrade vs Saunders for next year. Hopefully we add a better third transfer, or Skillngs/Reed manage to contribute quickly at the wing next year.

04-20-2022, 08:15 PM	#180
sedziobs Senior Moderator Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 2,395	Phinisee and MAW sharing PG duties means we need to get more offense from the 3 and 5 positions. And we're going to be very small at just about every position. Hopefully Phinisee lives up to his defensive reputation and can do a better job of penetrating than our MAW/Saunders pairing last year.