Crosstown shootout

more cowbell · 04-19-2012, 08:31 AM

I'm a fan of both schools, but recruits don't care about championships from the 1960s, they care about making it to the NBA, winning in the tournament and playing in front of sellouts. UC fans need to put their faith in Mick, donate money and start going to the games. It is in both schools best interest for each school to be competitive.

Thegreatone · 04-19-2012, 08:40 AM

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Is it better to be relevant now or to be relevant 50 years ago?

If your claim to fame is 2 tournament titles in 1961 and 1962 (a year before a tough Loyola team won it and three years before UTEP did) are you really a successful basketball program?

Maybe Mick will turn things around, but you have been to 2 sweet 16s in the last 15 years. I am a UC fan, but i get tired of hearing about the NCAA championships.

Is it better to have been relevent before or never been relevant at all?

Who cares about sweet 16's honestly. Elite 8 are impressive but no one is pounding their chest about Elite 8's.

In my lifetime UC has:

3 elite 8's
1 Final Four
2 AP #1 rankings
1 Player of the Year
1 Coach of the Year
1 Top overall draft pick

That aint too shabby.

X was more consistent during Miller but a lot of that has to do with UC having to start from scratch.

UC has had better seasons the last 2 years IMO. Would you agree?

rallie25 · 04-19-2012, 09:04 AM

Why is a X fan on the UC site anyway? Does X have their on blog site?

more cowbell · 04-19-2012, 09:07 AM

better seasons than Xavier? I would say they are about equal the last two years. Definitely on an uptick. It will be interesting to see how UC progresses with the dearth of highly ranked recruits that Mick is bringing in.

more cowbell · 04-19-2012, 09:11 AM

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Why is a X fan on the UC site anyway? Does X have their on blog site?

Don't you appreciate banter more than just hearing Ralph say that UC will win the tournament next year?

adrock · 04-19-2012, 09:17 AM

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Why is a X fan on the UC site anyway? Does X have their on blog site?

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Originally Posted by more cowbell

Don't you appreciate banter more than just hearing Ralph say that UC will win the tournament next year?

X fans, UofL fans, WVU fans, and fans of all other teams are welcome here. As long as they act like civil adults.

Scheids21 · 04-19-2012, 09:37 AM

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X fans, UofL fans, WVU fans, and fans of all other teams are welcome here. As long as they act like civil adults.

WVU fans don't know how to use the internet

adrock · 04-19-2012, 09:45 AM

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WVU fans don't know how to use the internet

Well played

Thegreatone · 04-19-2012, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by more cowbell

better seasons than Xavier? I would say they are about equal the last two years. Definitely on an uptick. It will be interesting to see how UC progresses with the dearth of highly ranked recruits that Mick is bringing in.

I am not saying UC is winning titles and X is in CBI but I think it is fair to say one would have to have had a better season. I will use their seed in the tourny, how far they got in tourny, head to head, and top 50 wins.

2011:

Cincy: 6 seed Xavier: 6 seed Advantage: EVEN
Cincy: 2nd round Xavier: 1st round Advantage: CINCY
Cincy :beat X by 20 Xavier: lost to Cincy by 20 Advantage:CINCY
Cincy: had 7 Top 50 wins Xavier: had 3 top 50 wins Advantage: CINCY

Advantage?

Cincy

2012:

Cincy: 6 seed Xavier: 11 seed Advantage: CINCY
Cincy: Sweet 16 Xavier: Sweet 16 Advantage: EVEN
Cincy: lost to X by 23 Xavier: beat Cincy by 23 Advantage: Xavier
Cincy: had 8 top 50 wins Xavier: had 5 top 50 wins Advantage: Cincy

Advantage?

Cincy

Looking deeper into this year and it is not even close. Looking at the tourny Cincy played much better competition. They made it to Saturday night of the beast tourny. Xaviers best win was probably Cincinnati but for arguement sake I will say @ Vandy without their top player in OT.

Cincy had wins of Gtown 2x, Louisville, Syracuse, and Marquette which most would argue is better than @ Vandy.

So I would argue that 2 out of Chris Macks 3 years have not matched Cincy's success on the court so I disagree when Cowbell says X has recent success.

Cowbell would you disagree with these numbers?

more cowbell · 04-19-2012, 10:10 AM

I would say things may slant a little more in UC's favor. It's impossible to compare conference schedules as undoubtedly the Big East is better than the A10 (even if the big east is a bit overrated).

UC made it a round further in the tournament in 2011 and they both made the sweet 16 in 2012. UC beat X by 20 and X beat UC by 23. Xavier had a higher rpi in both seasons. I would say both schools did pretty well, but I would give UC a slight edge due to tournament performance.

04-19-2012, 08:31 AM	#61
more cowbell Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 108	I'm a fan of both schools, but recruits don't care about championships from the 1960s, they care about making it to the NBA, winning in the tournament and playing in front of sellouts. UC fans need to put their faith in Mick, donate money and start going to the games. It is in both schools best interest for each school to be competitive.

04-19-2012, 09:04 AM	#63
rallie25 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 128	Why is a X fan on the UC site anyway? Does X have their on blog site?

04-19-2012, 09:07 AM	#64
more cowbell Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 108	better seasons than Xavier? I would say they are about equal the last two years. Definitely on an uptick. It will be interesting to see how UC progresses with the dearth of highly ranked recruits that Mick is bringing in.

04-19-2012, 10:10 AM	#70
more cowbell Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 108	I would say things may slant a little more in UC's favor. It's impossible to compare conference schedules as undoubtedly the Big East is better than the A10 (even if the big east is a bit overrated). UC made it a round further in the tournament in 2011 and they both made the sweet 16 in 2012. UC beat X by 20 and X beat UC by 23. Xavier had a higher rpi in both seasons. I would say both schools did pretty well, but I would give UC a slight edge due to tournament performance.