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Old 04-14-2021, 10:04 AM   #11
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From the college standpoint you can just look at Gonzaga.

Bartorvik started tracked where shots were taken in 2010. Here are some Gonzaga numbers for seasons.

2010 - 651 close 2's, 647 midrange 2's, 502 3's
2011 - 603 close 2's, 754 midrange 2's, 529 3's
2012 - 554 close 2's, 618 midrange 2's, 567 3's
2013 - 756 close 2's, 522 midrange 2's, 588 3's
a couple years of mixed offenses, but midrange and close 2's were close and then the aha moment.
2018 - 844 close 2's, 519 midrange 2's, 888 3's
2019 - 975 close 2's, 474 midrange 2's, 789 3's
2020 - 941 close 2's, 464 midrange 2's, 637 3's
2021 - 947 close 2's, 363 midrange 2's, 652 3's

Gonzaga has had the #1 offense in ADJO those last 3 years after averaging 23.7 the previous 9 seasons.
Right...good info and shows the trend we want to see

The problem is Brannen probably wanted this too and you can't do these things without the right squad. We can try...and we did...but Gonzaga has the personnel to get this done. And Few obviously knew where to put his focus on recruits.

We need to build a rotation like this even if it's Gonzaga light or super light. If not you need to go with a defense first philosophy. Take your pick. I pick the philosophy that seems to be thriving more
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And the idea that this is just all common sense (before analytics) sounds great but isn't reality. I am sure some coaches were already tracking but most were probably not
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Hack a Shaq was around 25yrs ago. Analytics can’t stop harden or lebron from getting 50. Teams been known where sweet spots been for years. It’s just something guys without eye test can understand what really going on. If a coach 75% analytics I don’t want him. I’m more of 75/25
Analytics ain't shutting down Jordan or Lebron. It's what you do as a team or against a team as a philosophy. Some kids can kill you no matter what you throw at them. Even long two's are a good idea for the right guy
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Right...good info and shows the trend we want to see

The problem is Brannen probably wanted this too and you can't do these things without the right squad. We can try...and we did...but Gonzaga has the personnel to get this done. And Few obviously knew where to put his focus on recruits.

We need to build a rotation like this even if it's Gonzaga light or super light. If not you need to go with a defense first philosophy. Take your pick. I pick the philosophy that seems to be thriving more

You have to get players that can fit that style, there's no doubt about it. You need guys that can shoot, something we haven't really had.
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You have to get players that can fit that style, there's no doubt about it. You need guys that can shoot, something we haven't really had.
And you need the stud inside that can make the short 2's
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Analytics ain't shutting down Jordan or Lebron. It's what you do as a team or against a team as a philosophy. Some kids can kill you no matter what you throw at them. Even long two's are a good idea for the right guy
It’s been around waterhead. The 3’s started to be or counter the splash brothers. Also main thing with 3’s is give more points per possession. Analytics didn’t need tell million dollar coaches this though. Mick preach make layups and get stops you’ll win, that’s basketball 101
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I’m going defense first and open motion offense. Goal remains the same. Score more than your opponent
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Analytics is what gave the splash brothers freedom to let it fly so often. Coaches wouldn't have allowed that 15 years ago. Jordan, McGrady, and Dirk would be shooting a lot less from the midrange if they were playing today.

Making layups and getting stops is part of analytics.
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The new wave in college(I’ve been screaming it for yrs) is getting starting 5 6’5-6’10 that all can play 1-5. Analytics I will agree is much more important in player development than it is in team game planning.
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It’s been around waterhead. The 3’s started to be or counter the splash brothers. Also main thing with 3’s is give more points per possession. Analytics didn’t need tell million dollar coaches this though. Mick preach make layups and get stops you’ll win, that’s basketball 101
That all sounds great but is short sighted.

There are more analytics than just shooting 3's and layups. And not all coaches have figured that out.

The fans on this board are asking for a coach that has a good grasp on it. If it's all just in their head they won't be able to address it in an interview. They need a philosophy that revolves around the trends of today's game
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