ECU Part II

[sedziobs]

Originally Posted by TheRealMick

Offense was horrible last night. Jd got hot but most them shots i considered bad shots he just made. DDJ was throwing dumb high passes and im surprised he didn't have 10 TO. Offense and defense was horrible. Give me your eye test opinion. Can we stop posting useless lame data?

I give my eye test opinion during or immediately following the game before looking at any stats. I've done that all year long. Stats can tell you a lot of things that your eyes miss, and your eyes can tell you things that stats don't measure.

I've said before that we should run more horns sets with Nolley at the top, guards in the corners, bigs at the elbows. That vacates the block and allows anyone to cut there with or without the ball. It lets the guards come off down screens and the bigs to roll to the rim. It's a pretty standard setup that a lot of teams use these days, and it would play to our players' strengths. That comes from watching games, not stats.

But the stats say our offense was fine last night. We were 33% from three because while JD was hot, the rest of the team was 2 for 13. We only had 8 turnovers despite Nolley coughing it up 5 times. You can say all the jumpshots were bad but we were 16 for 25 at the rim. Our eyes focus on the outliers and the stats fill in the rest. Putting up points is what matters and we did that. It was an average offensive game and a horrible defensive game.

[TheRealMick]

Originally Posted by sedziobs

I give my eye test opinion during or immediately following the game before looking at any stats. I've done that all year long. Stats can tell you a lot of things that your eyes miss, and your eyes can tell you things that stats don't measure.

I've said before that we should run more horns sets with Nolley at the top, guards in the corners, bigs at the elbows. That vacates the block and allows anyone to cut there with or without the ball. It lets the guards come off down screens and the bigs to roll to the rim. It's a pretty standard setup that a lot of teams use these days, and it would play to our players' strengths. That comes from watching games, not stats.

But the stats say our offense was fine last night. We were 33% from three because while JD was hot, the rest of the team was 2 for 13. We only had 8 turnovers despite Nolley coughing it up 5 times. You can say all the jumpshots were bad but we were 16 for 25 at the rim. Our eyes focus on the outliers and the stats fill in the rest. Putting up points is what matters and we did that. It was an average offensive game and a horrible defensive game.

That's where the eye test go into effect but coaches like you relying too much on stats. After being up 16, when lead got down to I believe 11 coach should've took out 3 of the starters. Idc who he put in game, just eat the clock and pack the paint. This is a 40min sport not 30min. The Offense was behind horrible in last 10min.

[TheRealMick]

I understand wanting length but watching last night made me realize we literally been playing ALL year with two guards. How the hell did Wes allow this to happen? All year and he still starts both of them together is damn near fireable. Nolley should've been locked in @2 for 30min. Jd, Hensley, Reed, Skillings couldn't handle the 3 between for of them? Wes refused to balance out lineups once he seen only two true guards was on team.

[TheRealMick]

Im not even go discuss piss poor effort on D and rebounding from VETERAN team. Nobody on team goes after rebounds once ball in air. Everybody stands around unless it bounce in their area. MAW, Ddj, JD, Nolley, oDy all old as dirt in CBB age. We shouldn't be discussing chasing down rebounds with this group!!!

[TheRealMick]

Nolley
Skillings
Reed
Hensley
Vik

This would've been my lineup once we didn't beat any top teams. Even if they didn't play most minutes I've seen enough to know none of FR have guard skills for B12. So let them develop some now so they more ready for wing duty in B12. Hensley is nice piece stuck with bad coaches. If im losing to bottom dwellers of this dumpster conference, I for damn sure isn't losing with team that's not going be year next year. If Reed, Skillings, and Hensley can't compete in this conference against other underclassmen. Why are we taking anybody on this roster into big 12? No team in big12 losing to kenpom 200 teams in February.

[TheRealMick]

This would be my starting 5 next game. Message need be sent to vets in February is pathetic.

Anthony
Skillings
Reed
Hensley
Kalu

[sedziobs]

Originally Posted by TheRealMick

This is a 40min sport not 30min. The Offense was behind horrible in last 10min.

Right, over 40 minutes the offense was average. In the last 10 it was really bad. The stats tell us that too. The defense was still worse. And I suggested taking DDJ out or going zone, also based on stats. If anything, Wes doesn't consider stats enough. He refuses to alter lineups and rotations because he doesn't want to upset what players are used to. He deliberately doesn't implement lineups based on statistical strategies because he doesn't think the players are mature enough to handle it.

[sedziobs]

Originally Posted by TheRealMick

Im not even go discuss piss poor effort on D and rebounding from VETERAN team. Nobody on team goes after rebounds once ball in air. Everybody stands around unless it bounce in their area. MAW, Ddj, JD, Nolley, oDy all old as dirt in CBB age. We shouldn't be discussing chasing down rebounds with this group!!!

Yeah it was pathetic. MAW and Skillings didn't grab a single rebound in 46 minutes. We only had 2 total rebounds from the guard positions against ECU.

[TheLongHaul]

Originally Posted by sedziobs

Yeah it was pathetic. MAW and Skillings didn't grab a single rebound in 46 minutes. We only had 2 total rebounds from the guard positions against ECU.

to be fair, Skillings only played 12 minutes. Didn't do much with those minutes and he should still be boarding with this length and athleticism.

MAW on the other hand played 34 minutes and had 4 points, 0 assists, and 0 rebounds. That's a beyond pathetic line for a guard getting that much PT.

[TheLongHaul]

Skillings need to play at minimum 20 plus minutes from here on out and you take the lumps. What difference does it make anyway?

I'd say the same for Reed but I have yet still to see a single thing that he does well or has the potential to do well. But you might as well try to figure it out because it's not going to get easier next year.