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Old 02-24-2020, 07:52 AM   #71
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Q1
19 @Ohio St
24 @Houston
24 Houston
27 Iowa
43 @Wichita St
44 @Xavier
61 @Memphis
70 @ UConn

Q2
43 Wichita St
61 Memphis
64 Tennessee
70 UConn
111 @Temple
124 @USF
127 @UCF

Q3
82 Tulsa
84 Vermont
86 SMU
111 Temple
112 UNLV
116 Colgate
127 UCF
134 Valpo
149 Bowling Green
174 @Tulane
195 @ECU

Q4
165 Drake
195 ECU
206 Illinois St
340 Alabama A&M
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Old 02-24-2020, 07:57 AM   #72
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well, at least that houston win looks like it might hold.
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Old 02-24-2020, 08:02 AM   #73
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Vermont's loss is very frustrating. Hopefully Tulsa can get back into the top 75 with a strong finish. UCF or USF could just as easily drop out of the top 135.
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Old 02-24-2020, 08:23 AM   #74
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Vermont's loss is very frustrating. Hopefully Tulsa can get back into the top 75 with a strong finish. UCF or USF could just as easily drop out of the top 135.
UConn (#70) has UCF, @ECU, Houston, and @Tulane to close out.

Pretty manageable schedule on the surface but it's also one where a loss in 3 of those games is going to hurt their NET more than a win will help it.

I say they're just as vulnerable to dropping a quad as anyone else.
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Old 02-28-2020, 12:19 PM   #75
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Sure I left out SOS

But what I find interesting is that UC played a tough schedule and yet, of all those resumes listed there, UC has played more tier 3 & 4 games then anyone else.

We’ve played or will play in 15 tier 3 & 4 games.

That has to matter.
Because tier 3 is home against the 76th ranked team and 160th ranked team when at home. SOS helps clarify in greater detail truly how hard schedules were, which is why its also a criteria.
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Old 02-28-2020, 12:27 PM   #76
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Because tier 3 is home against the 76th ranked team and 160th ranked team when at home. SOS helps clarify in greater detail truly how hard schedules were, which is why its also a criteria.
It also shows how you can game the system.

Colgate and drake are great buy games that lift your SOS . And yet they provide zero real value:
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Because tier 3 is home against the 76th ranked team and 160th ranked team when at home. SOS helps clarify in greater detail truly how hard schedules were, which is why its also a criteria.
It also shows how you can game the system.

Colgate and drake are great buy games that lift your SOS . And yet they provide zero real value:

It’s gaming the system.

I just I remember when I watched last year; the committee chair specifically mentioned how many Games you’ve played against tier 3 & 4 teams as being something they look at on the bubble
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It also shows how you can game the system.

Colgate and drake are great buy games that lift your SOS . And yet they provide zero real value:

NET is not our friend this year, it is a pretty extreme outlier in computer rankings for us (we're 28 in RPI).
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Because tier 3 is home against the 76th ranked team and 160th ranked team when at home. SOS helps clarify in greater detail truly how hard schedules were, which is why its also a criteria.
Just to prove out that point, the NET rankings doesn't see a difference in tier 3 wins between beating UCLA at home and Old Dominion (11-17) at home.
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I was very wary of those "good" buy games even before we lost to Colgate:

"I don't understand the point of playing good but not great teams at home. Teams in the 75-160 range are Q3 at home, which means they aren't a quality win and would be a bad loss. Drake, UNLV, Vermont, and Colgate are all in that category. I can see why Cronin didn't schedule good mid majors."

"I'm not convinced any of the teams we've beaten are going to end up Q2 (maybe Vermont). And I'm also not convinced that a bunch of Q3 wins is any better than a bunch of Q4 wins. I seriously doubt the committee ever gets that deep into a resume."

"...a team's NET is obviously affected by their strength of schedule. But our own NET isn't important - our opponents' NET is what determines our quadrant records. We can have a really good SOS by playing all Q3 games and no Q4 games, but that does nothing at all for what matters most - getting quality wins and avoiding bad losses.

If we end up beating Colgate it won't matter - we will have avoided the risk of getting a bad loss against a mid major at home. It's just not a strategy I would feel comfortable with going into each season. There's just not much to be gained and potentially a lot to lose."

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