01-08-2021, 05:51 PM | #71 |
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That’s what I was thinking. I would rather play Dou as backup before Vogt but that isn’t saying a lot right now.
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01-08-2021, 06:24 PM | #72 |
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it probably just depends on matchup. Neither are very good but if the other team has athletic bigs that can shoot then Dou is better, if the bigs are inside players than Vogt is likely the better choice. Offensively it's a wash since Vogt hasn't really been a factor this year on offense and this team can't stretch the D enough to give him space.
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01-08-2021, 07:38 PM | #73 |
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I would like dou to come back next year. If nothing else he can be a backup. We won’t have to change anything for him. Vogt I don’t want to come back. I think I’ve seen enough. Let’s move on from him
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01-08-2021, 07:45 PM | #74 |
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I was a big Vogt guy when he was scoring and shooting 70% and getting 6-7 rebounds a game but I don’t know how anyone can justify him playing at all at this point. I get that he is going to play some but over the last 20 games or so, he’s probably averaging about 4 pts, 2 rebs, ( just a guess but I bet it’s around there). Him on the floor is just wasting time at this point. He takes up the driving lanes on offense, can’t get position, we can’t press with him on the floor, can’t rebound, and is a disaster on defense. If a 6 foot guard played the 5 in place of him it might actually be better for us.
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01-08-2021, 08:05 PM | #77 |
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No, not at all hes just a role player. He wouldn't even be getting these minutes if someone more skillful was ahead of him. He's shooting it well right now, he doesn't really handle the ball too well, not a great rebounder, playmaker, or defender. Hes getting shots bc right now, we dont have an identity on offense which is part of the reason we have to play small ball right now. Players arent really in any definitive roles or positions we are just trying to have a respectable 5 on the court. Davenport is in thier due to attrition... I admire his passion and effort but I dont see him ever being all league, or for that matter an NBA guy. If he accomplishes these things he would def prove me wrong and shut me up for sure
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01-08-2021, 08:06 PM | #78 |
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We have essentially replaced Vogt with a guard by starting Davenport and it has worked out.
Vogt played no where close to the same level as Diarra last night. Vogt was a disaster on defense, a non-factor on offense and made our press ineffective. Diarra was solid on defense, improved our press and was a non-factor on offense. Anyone want to guess who has the best TO/40 minute rate on the team? That would be Diarra, who has one TO in 45 minutes of play. Diarra isn't perfect, but he's not the TO machine that people seem to think. He does have a horrible foul rate (10.7 PF/40), but considering that is almost double his PF rate last year, I expect that to go down with more minutes (5.4/40 that he averaged last year is still bad, but not terrible). At this point I don't think Vogt should get many minutes even if the other team has a strong/tall big. He just doesn't fit the running/pressing style that Brannen wants to run, we'd need to help Dou/Eason, but it's not that difficult of a defensive adjustment (plenty of teams use it to effective shut down Vogt). Vogt should pretty much just be the guy who comes in if Eason and Dou both get into foul trouble. |
01-08-2021, 08:11 PM | #79 |
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Davenport seems like the type of glue guy that Cronin loved. Plays hard, defends, rebounds and brings toughness/energy. I think he can develop into more than a role player, but he needs a lot of work.
Right now he's not a guy who can create his own shot and isn't great off the dribble. Also needs to work on his passing. The difference between role player and key player is becoming a creator. Maybe he can get there, but he's not there yet. |
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