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Old 02-13-2020, 03:31 PM   #31
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UCLA was a road game.
Thatís not tier 3
They were also 69 in kenpom.
Shows you how horrible RPI is.
It was tier 3 in 2016, which is what matters.

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Old 02-13-2020, 03:31 PM   #32
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What scale are you using here?

110 away game a tier 2 game
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Old 02-13-2020, 03:32 PM   #33
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Before 2017, it was just 1-50, 51-100, 101-200, 201+. There was no distinction between home and away.
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Old 02-13-2020, 03:33 PM   #34
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It was tier 3 in 2016, which is what matters.
So a true stat guy like your self should have said:
You canít compare these teams because the scale has changed in both metric.
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Old 02-13-2020, 03:35 PM   #35
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I'm not making any claims. I just posted the information.

But it is best practice to use the methodology of the time. If you want to know how bad losses affect at-large chances, you should only look at what information the committee was using when the decision was made. Using anything else is revisionist.
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I was talking the modern method and applying it to history.


The fact that Miami and Kentucky shows up as tier 3 losses shows how flawed the system was and why they changed it.


So the reality is... we have 1 year to compare valid data to
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I'll agree that we only have one year of a true comparison. Which essentially means we can't draw any meaningful conclusions. We're better off just comparing the resumes of this year's bubble teams.
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Old 02-14-2020, 04:21 AM   #38
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Butler made it to the finals in 2011 (lost to UCONN).

They had losses to Youngstown St, Milwaukee (twice), Wright St., and Valpo
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Old 02-14-2020, 07:40 AM   #39
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Butler made it to the finals in 2011 (lost to UCONN).

They had losses to Youngstown St, Milwaukee (twice), Wright St., and Valpo

Butler doesnít count though because they were at auto bid from winning their conference tourney.
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We're back in the field in the latest bracketmatrix. Arizona St is still the first team out, but I'm sure they will move up after their Q1 win at Stanford last night. Stanford has lost 6 of 7, but all 7 of their remaining games are Q1/2 (5 of them Q1).

Bubble teams: (Q1, Q2, bad losses)

Virginia (2-3, 4-3, 1)
Arkansas (2-5, 2-3, 0)
Stanford (2-5, 2-2, 1)
Indiana (4-6, 2-2, 0)
VCU (1-4, 2-2, 1)
Cincinnati (2-5, 6-0, 3)
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Arizona St (4-6, 4-2, 0)
Minnesota (4-10, 2-1, 0)
Utah St (2-4, 2-1, 2)
NC St (3-2, 4-4, 2)
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