Fire Mick

[Defense first]

Originally Posted by jacobkdoyle

Obviously this doesn't mean Mick shouldn't get any credit. He's done the job year in and year out. Missouri could easily miss the tournament in upcoming years. So it's not that I don't appreciate the job he has done. But I just don't think it's good enough to make him untouchable and give him a job for life.

So for every time it gets mentioned that he brought us back from the dead, it's worth remembering that other coaches can do it too...and have. And recently.

This also shows that changes coaches doesn't have to be the end of the world, as long as you end up with a good one. They are now better off than they were under Haith, and probably even Mike Anderson (and obviously Kim Anderson).

People like to bring up the Pitt example for why you don't change coaches. But are we sure? Obviously Stallings flopped. And horribly. But that lasted just 2 years and now they have Capel in there giving it a go. They could very well still end up better off. So far, Dixon has made the tournament as a 6, but they lost right away. So for as bad as Stallings was, the fans (now that he's gone) probably don't feel like they're missing much. Obviously they hit a bump in the road. But as pointed out in this post, the right coach can turn things around very quickly. Even in bad situations.

Which brings me to this now. TCU was 6-48 in the Big 12 in the 3 years before Jamie Dixon got there. And within 2 years they got a 6 seed in the NCAA Tournament. Another coach who took over a terrible situation (with no tradition) and very quickly turned it around.

This stuff happens. All the time.

It's a lot easier to recruit to power five conference schools.

[jacobkdoyle]

Originally Posted by Defense first

It's a lot easier to recruit to power five conference schools.

We were in the Big East during our 5 year rebuild...?

[cincycpaw]

Originally Posted by jacobkdoyle

We were in the Big East during our 5 year rebuild...?

But but but.......

[justinhub2003]

Ok. Well let’s see what kind of sustained success Martin has.

I doubt he has 8 straight tourney appearances.

[justinhub2003]

Also , the roster Martin inherited was far better then what Cronin inherited.

Name a player Cronin inherited as good as Jordan Barnett?

[jacobkdoyle]

Originally Posted by justinhub2003

Ok. Well let’s see what kind of sustained success Martin has.

I doubt he has 8 straight tourney appearances.

I would bet against that as well.

[jacobkdoyle]

Originally Posted by justinhub2003

Also , the roster Martin inherited was far better then what Cronin inherited.

Name a player Cronin inherited as good as Jordan Barnett?

Barwin was pretty good...just not at basketball.

Difference of 1 year vs 5 was more the point.

I'm fine with Cronin being the coach for like I have said, the next couple years. But I'm getting less and less worried about what the idea of moving on would mean for us.

[Jon Rycek]

And porter brought in buzz and his high recruit cousin. Much better situation than Mick. We are sustaining success but it has become a little stagnant. But at this point it's because we are putting everything on tournament success. We have completely forgotten how good this year really was. How great our team was. We melted down and it hurts, it sucks, it's a whole lot of stuff. But that doesn't take away from the rest of the success of this season.

[Defense first]

Originally Posted by jacobkdoyle

I would bet against that as well.

Our recruiting ranking wise was slightly better in the big East. However i think Martin did a terrible terrible job at the end of the year with Missouri, he let Porter come back and Jack up every shot he could get. In my opinion because of that they got beat in there conference tournament and in the NCAA tournament. Very poor coaching decision. I think by the first game he was back, the rest of the team was ready to pack it in. Can't have that type of stinginess in a team because one player was more highly regarded. Bad move on Martin's side. As terrible as our year ended, it was better than Missouri's by far. And all that with higher ranked players, taking into consideration Porter sitting all but three games, and then being in the sec.

[jacobkdoyle]

Originally Posted by Defense first

Our recruiting ranking wise was slightly better in the big East. However i think Martin did a terrible terrible job at the end of the year with Missouri, he let Porter come back and Jack up every shot he could get. In my opinion because of that they got beat in there conference tournament and in the NCAA tournament. Very poor coaching decision. I think by the first game he was back, the rest of the team was ready to pack it in. Can't have that type of stinginess in a team because one player was more highly regarded. Bad move on Martin's side. As terrible as our year ended, it was better than Missouri's by far. And all that with higher ranked players, taking into consideration Porter sitting all but three games, and then being in the sec.

I think you are missing the point.