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cincrulz11 · 12-07-2018, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TheShoeFits

Rashawn Fredericks has only scored in double digits twice this season before the Shootout just like Kanter. Both games were blowouts. Fredericks currently averages 4 pts a game. Kanter averaged 5 before the Shootout.

Fredericks averaged almost 18 ppg last season in 23 minutes. Numbers similar to Kanter before he came to X.

You're telling me that if Rashawn Fredericks showed up tomorrow and went 6-8 and 2-2 from beyond the arc for 17 points you wouldn't think that was in Micks words "strange"

im telling you i wouldn't have thought it was strange if he did it in the UNLV after playing well in 2 of his previous 3 games.

if Fredericks had kept playing well and was averaging 9.5 ppg his last 4 i think we all would expect him to have an impact on this game. but as he hasn't and he's only averaging 4.25 ppg his last 4 games i think we think it will be less than likely he has a large impact on this game.

so while kanter was trending the correct direction, fredericks is not (3 or less points in 3 of last 4 games)

TheShoeFits · 12-07-2018, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sedziobs

Fredericks came from junior college. Kanter transferred from a Division 1 school. Big difference.

And I get that and its a totally fair argument but who's to say Rashawn Fredericks couldnt average numbers close to Kanters playing a full season in the Horizon

GarradJ21 · 12-07-2018, 11:27 AM

25.5 hours.

ervins84 · 12-07-2018, 11:34 AM

Let's get this back on track.

F*** Eggs

cincycpaw · 12-07-2018, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ervins84

Let's get this back on track.

F*** Eggs

Best post ever.

**sedziobs** · 12-07-2018, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TheShoeFits

And I get that and its a totally fair argument but who's to say Rashawn Fredericks couldnt average numbers close to Kanters playing a full season in the Horizon

I am saying that. Juco transfers to the Horizon league in 2017, juco stats in blue, 2018 D1 stats in red.

Sukhjot Banes (13 pts, 8 reb) (3 pts, 3 reb)
Vance Johnson (14 pts, 9 reb) (5 pts, 4 reb)
Julius Palmer (7 pts, 5 reb) (1 pts, 2 reb)
Noe Anabir (9 pts, 5 reb) (2 pts, 2 reb)
Alex Wilbourn (9 pts, 5 reb) (0 pts, 1 reb)
Tyree Robinson (13 pts, 7 reb) (8 pts, 4 reb)

Fredericks put up 18 pts, 10 reb last year. Kanter put up 11 pts, 6 reb in his junior year at Green Bay. Only one player listed above (Robinson) saw a camparable drop in production. All of the others were significantly worse.

WAITE HOYT 2 · 12-07-2018, 01:25 PM

Need max effort and execution for 40 minutes tomorrow. Our Guards can not give up penetration which causes our bigs to be out of rebounding position. X has been very good on the offensive glass. Limit second chance points and get to the FT line. That is how I see the game. Need everyone to bring their A game from the opening tip off.

**sedziobs** · 12-07-2018, 01:33 PM

My point is that Kanter didn't come out of nowhere. Yeah, he shot well above his average against us last year. But in any given game, you would expect at least one player to overperform and one to underperform. For X, Blueitt, Jones, Gates and Kanter overperformed. Macura and Goodin underperformed. For us, Evans and Scott overperformed. Clark and Washington underperformed. The fact that Kanter was a bench player who overperformed seems to have implanted in everyone's brains. But he was no more important to the game's outcome than any of the other 9 players I listed.

TheShoeFits · 12-07-2018, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sedziobs

I am saying that. Juco transfers to the Horizon league in 2017, juco stats in blue, 2018 D1 stats in red.

Sukhjot Banes (13 pts, 8 reb) (3 pts, 3 reb)
Vance Johnson (14 pts, 9 reb) (5 pts, 4 reb)
Julius Palmer (7 pts, 5 reb) (1 pts, 2 reb)
Noe Anabir (9 pts, 5 reb) (2 pts, 2 reb)
Alex Wilbourn (9 pts, 5 reb) (0 pts, 1 reb)
Tyree Robinson (13 pts, 7 reb) (8 pts, 4 reb)

Fredericks put up 18 pts, 10 reb last year. Kanter put up 11 pts, 6 reb in his junior year at Green Bay. Only one player listed above (Robinson) saw a camparable drop in production. All of the others were significantly worse.

Juco players you listed averaged 10.8 points and 6.5 rebounds

D1 averages 3.1 points and 2.6 rebounds

That's a difference of 7.7 points and 3.9 rebounds.

Fredereicks 18 pts -7.7 pts (avg difference) and 10 reb - 3.9 reb (avg difference) comes to 10.3 pts and 6.1 reb.

Pretty pretty comparable to Kanters 11 and 6.

By the way, not arguing or anything. I just like a good friendly debate. Especially with numbers. I'm sure we can both agree we'd enjoy a big win tomorrow.

GarradJ21 · 12-07-2018, 01:58 PM

I think Cronin just means sometimes the unexpected guys can get hot during the crosstown shootout. I mean Dee Davis and Kantar were not supposed to have that big of impact on the games. Obviously they had potential too, any D1 player mostly like does especially a senior, but he just was stating that shots seem to fall that game for Xavier.

I just hope we get the win I don't care what happens.

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WAITE HOYT 2 Epic Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 8,404	Need max effort and execution for 40 minutes tomorrow. Our Guards can not give up penetration which causes our bigs to be out of rebounding position. X has been very good on the offensive glass. Limit second chance points and get to the FT line. That is how I see the game. Need everyone to bring their A game from the opening tip off.

12-07-2018, 01:33 PM	#58
sedziobs Senior Moderator Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 2,395	My point is that Kanter didn't come out of nowhere. Yeah, he shot well above his average against us last year. But in any given game, you would expect at least one player to overperform and one to underperform. For X, Blueitt, Jones, Gates and Kanter overperformed. Macura and Goodin underperformed. For us, Evans and Scott overperformed. Clark and Washington underperformed. The fact that Kanter was a bench player who overperformed seems to have implanted in everyone's brains. But he was no more important to the game's outcome than any of the other 9 players I listed.

12-07-2018, 01:58 PM	#60
GarradJ21 Epic Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 1,725	I think Cronin just means sometimes the unexpected guys can get hot during the crosstown shootout. I mean Dee Davis and Kantar were not supposed to have that big of impact on the games. Obviously they had potential too, any D1 player mostly like does especially a senior, but he just was stating that shots seem to fall that game for Xavier. I just hope we get the win I don't care what happens.