Xavier

**waterhead** · 12-10-2018, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cincycpaw

Honestly....I'm not a huge Cronin fan AND I'm not a big fan of Jenifer (well I think he gives his all I just think he lacks talent and size).

But I have no idea how anyone can be anything but happy after that game. It was glorious.

Mostly everyone is happy. It's not our fault a few people (not you) come to the board specifically to pick through a nice thread to find something negative and then characterize the whole board and thread that way. It's a shame.

There are realists on this board who can agree with both pessimists and optimists at times. Then there are the eternal optimists and pessimists who will only agree with their kind. When a realist says something either optimistic or critical they become both enlightened and misguided at the same time.

GarradJ21 · 12-10-2018, 07:17 AM

Walking into working on Monday morning feeling like a million bucks still from UC beating Xavier. Amazing.

justinhub2003 · 12-10-2018, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GarradJ21

Walking into working on Monday morning feeling like a million bucks still from UC beating Xavier. Amazing.

Preach

**waterhead** · 12-10-2018, 07:49 AM

Someone mentioned the G-score (or game score) from the barttorvik site a while back. I don't know what the algorithm is but it seems to be a measure of performance relative to the quality of competition played. I really don't care if much of the reason is defense at this point.

There have been two massive eggs we laid against OSU and Milwaukee with a G-score of 48 and 41 out of 100. The 3rd worst game was NC Central at a rank of 88. All of those came in the first 3 games. Since then we have had no G-Score rank below the first 3 games and the last game against X was our 3rd best tied with Western Mich at a G-score of 97.

It took this team 3 games to get things on the right track and have exceeded probably most expectations since that point. I know they certainly have exceeded mine. The credit goes to the coach and certain players who have not always gotten the credit they deserve like Jenifer. I have been VERY pleasantly surprised by Scott and Williams as well. Some others who have performed about to expectation like Brooks and Nsoseme.

We can still get better if we get some other players to kick it in gear. Broome, Moore, Diara, Fredericks. This of course assumes the rest of the guys who are playing well keep it up.

WAITE HOYT 2 · 12-10-2018, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by waterhead

Someone mentioned the G-score (or game score) from the barttorvik site a while back. I don't know what the algorithm is but it seems to be a measure of performance relative to the quality of competition played. I really don't care if much of the reason is defense at this point.

There have been two massive eggs we laid against OSU and Milwaukee with a G-score of 48 and 41 out of 100. The 3rd worst game was NC Central at a rank of 88. All of those came in the first 3 games. Since then we have had no G-Score rank below the first 3 games and the last game against X was our 3rd best tied with Western Mich at a G-score of 97.

It took this team 3 games to get things on the right track and have exceeded probably most expectations since that point. I know they certainly have exceeded mine. The credit goes to the coach and certain players who have not always gotten the credit they deserve like Jenifer. I have been VERY pleasantly surprised by Scott and Williams as well. Some others who have performed about to expectation like Brooks and Nsoseme.

We can still get better if we get some other players to kick it in gear. Broome, Moore, Diara, Fredericks. This of course assumes the rest of the guys who are playing well keep it up.

WH the exciting thing for me is there is still a lot of room to get better. I think Williams is only scratching the surface. Cumberland has some consistency issues to resolve. Scott has room to improve. As do our Bigs. Moore and Fredericks have talent and will have their moments. JJ and Cane are veterans who understand their roles. Each have had their moments so far this year. The best part for me is watching the team improve. Coach used the early part of the schedule to establish and implement his concepts and now the players are settling in and making it work. Really fun to watch.

cincrulz11 · 12-10-2018, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by justinhub2003

He’s slumping this year in this new arena. But was 39% last year on 80 attempts

80 is still a small sample. coming in i thought he'd shoot between 30-35% this year, he's gonna have to kick it into gear just to reach the bottom of that range.

i thought jarron and jenifer would shoot somewhere in that range too. i can't believe how well cumberland is shooting it. he's been an ok not great 3 point shooter his first 2 years and i expected it to be tougher on him this year cause he shouldn't have any open looks but he's just draining them, and some of them pretty deep.

jenifer is at the same % as last year after 24 attempts, i still think he's going to be inconsistent cause its tough with that much arc on your shot, but if he can finish around 40% it would be wonderful.

cincrulz11 · 12-10-2018, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by waterhead

Mostly everyone is happy. It's not our fault a few people (not you) come to the board specifically to pick through a nice thread to find something negative and then characterize the whole board and thread that way. It's a shame.

There are realists on this board who can agree with both pessimists and optimists at times. Then there are the eternal optimists and pessimists who will only agree with their kind. When a realist says something either optimistic or critical they become both enlightened and misguided at the same time.

yeah its kinda sad when a guy that pretty much stopped posting here just stops by to start fights. and he's a mod.

i always thought it was weird when people try to tell others how they should be fans. i think nothing but blind negativity is crazy, i think nothing but blind optimism is crazy, but im not going to tell anybody they shouldn't think that way.

**waterhead** · 12-10-2018, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cincrulz11

yeah its kinda sad when a guy that pretty much stopped posting here just stops by to start fights. and he's a mod.

i always thought it was weird when people try to tell others how they should be fans. i think nothing but blind negativity is crazy, i think nothing but blind optimism is crazy, but im not going to tell anybody they shouldn't think that way.

I have surfed around on other boards. This site is pretty much a microcosm of the fanbase as a whole. I have found no site where it's all rainbows and lollipops. There is a pretty good mix here of all outlooks on the program, coach and players.

**waterhead** · 12-10-2018, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by waterhead

I have surfed around on other boards. This site is pretty much a microcosm of the fanbase as a whole. I have found no site where it's all rainbows and lollipops. There is a pretty good mix here of all outlooks on the program, coach and players.

In fact, I think there was another site that I believe used to be the preeminent (free) fan board for UC sports and that one seems to be a ghost town for basketball anymore. I think largely because it wanted to establish a referendum on negativity and in many cases just plain old criticism. That's not a reasonable thing to do to a fanbase.

Fans want to speak their minds. As long as they do it in a respectable way it's healthy. This site cleaned up a lot of that egregious riff raff a while back and it became a healthier place to vent. Keep in mind it's usually never the eternal optimist that gets the boot...it's almost always the eternal pessimist who can't vent in a more constructive way.

WAITE HOYT 2 · 12-10-2018, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by waterhead

I have surfed around on other boards. This site is pretty much a microcosm of the fanbase as a whole. I have found no site where it's all rainbows and lollipops. There is a pretty good mix here of all outlooks on the program, coach and players.

I have to agree with you. I have surfed around and this site is not really much different then others. I think it goes in cycles. Was a bit disappointed with the lack of football chatter. This was a very nice season for Coach Fickell and team. In General most UC fans are Basketball first and Football second.

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GarradJ21 Epic Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 1,725	Walking into working on Monday morning feeling like a million bucks still from UC beating Xavier. Amazing.

12-10-2018, 07:49 AM	#244
waterhead Senior Moderator Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 9,298	Someone mentioned the G-score (or game score) from the barttorvik site a while back. I don't know what the algorithm is but it seems to be a measure of performance relative to the quality of competition played. I really don't care if much of the reason is defense at this point. There have been two massive eggs we laid against OSU and Milwaukee with a G-score of 48 and 41 out of 100. The 3rd worst game was NC Central at a rank of 88. All of those came in the first 3 games. Since then we have had no G-Score rank below the first 3 games and the last game against X was our 3rd best tied with Western Mich at a G-score of 97. It took this team 3 games to get things on the right track and have exceeded probably most expectations since that point. I know they certainly have exceeded mine. The credit goes to the coach and certain players who have not always gotten the credit they deserve like Jenifer. I have been VERY pleasantly surprised by Scott and Williams as well. Some others who have performed about to expectation like Brooks and Nsoseme. We can still get better if we get some other players to kick it in gear. Broome, Moore, Diara, Fredericks. This of course assumes the rest of the guys who are playing well keep it up.