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Old 01-04-2020, 05:33 PM   #81
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Just like the argument someone out coaches someone, when they had nothing to do with how there team scores the majority of there points he gets the credit for broken down offense and desperation shooting? I donít give him credit for that
He took Vogt out and played tried to beat Tulane out their own game. This did not work and was the turning point in the game. Was there other reasons we lost, yes. A lot of them. Turnovers and rebounding and shot making. I never blame everything on the coach or the players. It's always a combination of both. Having said that, We can't lose to Tulane (colgate at home). We can't lose these games. At some point, the coach has to be accountable for some of that.

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Old 01-04-2020, 05:34 PM   #82
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Just like the argument someone out coaches someone, when they had nothing to do with how there team scores the majority of there points he gets the credit for broken down offense and desperation shooting? I donít give him credit for that
Again...nobody mentioned desperation 3s or a hot shooter etc...even the FTs. Once again there are bigger issues
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Old 01-04-2020, 05:35 PM   #83
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Play a zone.

Lol they moved the 3 point basket back and teams are shooting a lower percentage. Letís play zone.

Of course we wonít tho
If rebounding is an issue, zone wouldn't help but it's worth a shot at this point I guess.
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Old 01-04-2020, 05:40 PM   #84
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Play a zone.

Lol they moved the 3 point basket back and teams are shooting a lower percentage. Letís play zone.

Of course we wonít tho

Tulane shot what? 50% 3 pointers. Zone would not be the answer
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Old 01-04-2020, 05:46 PM   #85
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McNeal is useless, If Jaevin isnít hitting shots he is useless, liability on defense.. Jarron turned it on for about 10 minutes... Keith was great in the first half and then horrifying in the second half, Tre Scott was Tre Scott, Chris Vogt couldnít defend the Asian kid who was nailing 3ís, JB should have made an adjustment, Diarra played a great game IMO, he deserves more minutes, Davenport played well when in, give him McNeals minutes
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Old 01-04-2020, 05:47 PM   #86
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I thought Brannen got out coached. Hard not to love Ron Hunter. The match up zone had them confused. He should not have brought Vogt out of the game.

Other things, our rebounding is terrible. Houston is the same size as us, if not smaller and they go after everything. That could be on the coach also.

Also, can anyone make a shot?
Pulling Vogt to the perimeter took him out of the rebounding equation. Jaevin is a terrible rebounder. You can only ask the other 3 guys to do so much.
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He took Vogt out and played tried to beat Tulane out their own game. This did not work and was the turning point in the game. Was there other reasons we lost, yes. A lot of them. Turnovers and rebounding and shot making. I never blame everything on the coach or the players. It's always a combination of both. Having said that, We can't lose to Tulane (colgate at home). We can't lose these games. At some point, the coach has to be accountable for some of that.
Agreed! If you are going to take out one of your best players because a non shooter is bombing 30 footers. I would suggest against it. I would probably let Jaevin take those bombs most nights.

Beyond that we played stupid basketball. Turnovers and shot selection. We were out hustled. Our in boun play calls or off timeouts were generally trash.

This was one of CJBs worst coached games and I am fully on board his train
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Tulane shot what? 50% 3 pointers. Zone would not be the answer
Their center was 5-5, the rest of their team only shot 30%. Playing a zone would have defended their center than having Vogt on him did.
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Agreed! If you are going to take out one of your best players because a non shooter is bombing 30 footers. I would suggest against it. I would probably let Jaevin take those bombs most nights.

Beyond that we played stupid basketball. Turnovers and shot selection. We were out hustled. Our in boun play calls or off timeouts were generally trash.

This was one of CJBs worst coached games and I am fully on board his train
How many games are you guys going to watch the other teams center bomb threes before you admit it's not just one guy getting lucky? It's not the first (or second, or third) game Vogt couldn't defend the other teams center on the perimeter and it won't be the last (unless/until Brannen changes the defensive scheme up to protect Vogt).
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If you look at the numbers, we should have won.

Out rebounded them by 7. Seemed like every offensive board they had, they scored though.

18 assists to 8.

12 offensive boards to 9.

44% from the field to 41%

17 TURNOVERS to 10

7-27 from 3 for us (25%) to 8-15 (53%)

Came down to turnovers and 3s. Had plenty of open looks.
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