03-29-2021, 06:56 PM | #71 |
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Damn Yal really reaching on these lol. These are huge realignments, not just adding teams, why the hell would Duke and UNC leave the ACC for the SEC lmao. None of that makes any sense at all, why would they try to shift to a completely different type of conference. We are talking about adding a couple teams to each. ACC TV deal already or not certainly can add a single team to top off at 16. Big 10 is not out of the question as many of your like to think. But I do believe SEC or Big 12 are out most likely landing spots, but I think think we would fit in well in the ACC too. We go back to out rivalry with Louisville, we add another string basketball program to their conference, and add probably what would be a top 3 football program in their conference.
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03-29-2021, 07:41 PM | #72 | |
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rubbingtherock.com/2021/02/06/clemson-football-acc-revenue/ Conference alignment is a business decision. Everybody wants into the top two conferences. They will have their choice, and I don't think our under $70 million athletic revenue program is going to look very attractive compared to the top half ACC/Big12 programs that bring in twice as much money. Texas brings in 3 times as much as us, and they like to exert control which is why they won't join the SEC. But they would be the biggest Pac12 program by far. Edit: The Pac12 also pays about $30 million. The Big12 is about $40 million (thanks to Texas and Oklahoma). UC got $6 million from the AAC. Last edited by sedziobs; 03-29-2021 at 07:48 PM. |
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03-29-2021, 08:44 PM | #73 |
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On a related note, each NCAA tournament win up to the final four means about $280k to that team's conference. So Houston's run just earned the conference over $1 million, about $100k for UC.
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03-30-2021, 09:39 AM | #74 |
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I'll keep musing about this to fill the time.
My initial scenarios were based almost exclusively on revenue with consideration to geography. There will be a lot of politics as well. The Big10, ACC, and Pac12 like to maintain some semblance of an academic reputation (AAU schools). And there would be a culture clash between the the liberal secular institutions of the Pac12 and some of the conservative religious institutions in the interior (TCU, Baylor, BYU, SMU) that might prevent them joining. I think those will be the main negotiation points in the next round. Sports performance and facilities are what we like to talk about here since we can control that, but they don't mean much. Those conferences know that whoever they pick can build out their facilities if they are suddenly receiving $30+ million a year. Our lack of AAU standing hurts us with the Big10 and ACC. We don't bring in enough money for the SEC. Texas doesn't want to share their revenue with more small Big12 programs. We would be helped by a big shakeup rather than hope to be added to an existing conference. Given the politics, Kansas would be a better fit than Oklahoma in the Big10 (both academics and geography). Missouri also fits in the Big10 as a Kansas pairing. Vanderbilt is a better fit for the ACC. So if the SEC drops those two schools, it can pick up Clemson, Florida St, Louisville, and Oklahoma. TCU could also be an option. If Texas joins the Pac12, secular schools that could follow are Texas Tech & OK St. They might even consider programs like Rice and New Mexico that fit well politically. The first domino to fall will dictate everything. My scenarios so far have the SEC making the first move, being the behemoth that doesn't really have academic or political standards to uphold. If they take Oklahoma, the Big12 is basically dead and Texas will have to jump to the Pac12. However, the Big12 could be proactive and make the first move. They could bring in the top 6 Pac12 programs (USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, AZ St). Those programs would be abandoning their academic and culture club for money, which I could see happening since the highest standard schools Stanford and Cal wouldn't join. Washington is the tricky one in this scenario. They are a top 10 global university, but also the biggest athletics program (and furthest geographically). In either scenario we would be looking to join with the leftover ACC schools, possibly leftover Big12 schools too. |
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It might be wishful thinking that UC is one of the six, but it makes sense for the SEC. UC is 90 minutes from the Lexington, plus it establishes a firm foothold into the fertile SW Ohio recruiting area dominated by Ohio State, Notre Dame, and the rest of the Big Ten. Oklahoma, Ok St, and Iowa St might be the only Big 12 programs of interest for football, so they need three more schools. Surely UC and UCF are two of them. Take your pick from Memphis, S Florida, or possibly SMU for the third team. Whatever expansion happens, it will be driven by networks desire to see high level matchups week in and week out. The SEC is not hurting by playing more than 8 conference games, one tough OOC game, and four cupcakes. |
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03-30-2021, 11:34 AM | #76 |
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I wasn't aware of the ACC grant of rights. That definitely changes things. If the ACC is looking to add one or two schools, our profile fits there better than most AAC schools (certainly compared to Memphis or East Carolina). We're not an AAU member, but we are close to a top 100 global university. That puts us above Syracuse, Wake Forest, Boston College, Clemson, Louisville, Miami, and everyone in the AAC except Tulane. Depending on how important academics is, they could even take a look at Buffalo (an AAU member).
With the Big 12 being the only vulnerable conference, I'd think the SEC would take Oklahoma and TCU and stop there. Kansas to the Big Ten still makes a ton of sense. I'm not sure who else they'd consider. Missouri certainly fits. Maybe they also look at Buffalo. I can't see the Big Ten abandoning their AAU credentials. If Texas goes to the Pac12, I think they look at New Mexico and Colorado St to stay in line with academics and politics. That stuff matters. I'm not sure who a 16th team would be. Texas Tech or OK St maybe. Rice is probably too small. |
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03-30-2021, 12:20 PM | #78 |
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Before I learned of the ACC's grant of rights, I came up with these potential realignments to four 16-team conferences. Who knows, maybe the SEC somehow manages to overcome that.
The scenario where the ACC dissolves has the SEC striking first, taking Oklahoma, Florida St, Clemson, and Louisville. The scenario where the Pac12 dissolves has the Big12 striking first, stabilizing itself with the upper echelon of the Pac12. The ACC is more academics focused in this scenario, taking on Buffalo and UMass. I think the AAC should consider adding Buffalo and UMass right now. Increased presence in the northeast after UConn's departure, considerably strengthens the academic reputation. |
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Edit: I just noticed that Iowa St is an AAU member. So Kansas and Iowa St to the Big Ten makes sense. And if OK and OK St are a package deal, I'm sure the SEC would take them both. Last edited by sedziobs; 03-30-2021 at 12:45 PM. |
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03-30-2021, 03:02 PM | #80 |
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Including the insights from RedNBlack, I think the attached is the most plausible scenario if the SEC and Big Ten poach the Big 12, and Texas and the Pac12 mutually decide to grow to 16 teams. The ACC just adds Buffalo. SEC takes Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. Big Ten takes Kansas and Iowa St.
The Big 12 becomes a conference of leftovers that's not really in a better position than what we have now. The ACC would also be in a much worse position, since they would easily be outclassed by the Big Ten, SEC, and Pac12. It could work out well for us if Texas decides not to leave even if Oklahoma and Kansas are poached. We would for sure be included if the Big12 grows beyond 10 members, and Texas would bring in a lot more money than the AAC. Adding Oklahoma gains the SEC a lot. I'm not convinced they really need or want to expand to 20. I'd be thrilled if we are part of that though. We really should push to become an AAU member. I know we've been a prospect for a decade now. |
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