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Old 01-16-2018, 02:47 PM   #1831
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I agree to a certain extent here but obviously they use Cane to try to bail them out when others aren't able to score. That tells you something.

But obviously not the whole story. Cane leads most categories on Justin except turnovers and maybe on point D...IDK on that last one. But at the same time Cane gets more steals and rebounds per 40. Cane has more assists and points per 40.

To me it all comes down to plus minus when each are in the game. I think Cronin is still trying to teach CAne a thing or two. Maybe it's how he wants to run the offense. Maybe it's not looking to be the primary scorer...who knows. Maybe it's a combination of the two. Attitude? IDK. Either way I don't think the TO differential is enough to offset the rest of the stats.

Per 40 minutes Jenifer leads Cane by 2.4 turnovers. Cane leads by 1.8 rebounds, 1.6 steals, 1.1 assists, and 6.7 points. When you add all that up Cane is plus 8.8 overall. I don't care as much if we use him off the bench for scoring pop...but he needs to be on the court more unless there is something we aren't privy to which there probably is.
Really don't think there is more to it. He uses Cane in a variety of roles. JJ can't give him that option. That is why on this team he uses him like he does. Cane has a very important role on this team even if he isn't starting.
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I agree to a certain extent here but obviously they use Cane to try to bail them out when others aren't able to score. That tells you something.

But obviously not the whole story. Cane leads most categories on Justin except turnovers and maybe on point D...IDK on that last one. But at the same time Cane gets more steals and rebounds per 40. Cane has more assists and points per 40.

To me it all comes down to plus minus when each are in the game. I think Cronin is still trying to teach CAne a thing or two. Maybe it's how he wants to run the offense. Maybe it's not looking to be the primary scorer...who knows. Maybe it's a combination of the two. Attitude? IDK. Either way I don't think the TO differential is enough to offset the rest of the stats.

Per 40 minutes Jenifer leads Cane by 2.4 turnovers. Cane leads by 1.8 rebounds, 1.6 steals, 1.1 assists, and 6.7 points. When you add all that up Cane is plus 8.8 overall. I don't care as much if we use him off the bench for scoring pop...but he needs to be on the court more unless there is something we aren't privy to which there probably is.
Give me Cane!!! If we are going to lose in the first weekend lets lose with the best players out there.
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Old 01-16-2018, 02:53 PM   #1833
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I agree to a certain extent here but obviously they use Cane to try to bail them out when others aren't able to score. That tells you something.

But obviously not the whole story. Cane leads most categories on Justin except turnovers and maybe on point D...IDK on that last one. But at the same time Cane gets more steals and rebounds per 40. Cane has more assists and points per 40.

To me it all comes down to plus minus when each are in the game. I think Cronin is still trying to teach CAne a thing or two. Maybe it's how he wants to run the offense. Maybe it's not looking to be the primary scorer...who knows. Maybe it's a combination of the two. Attitude? IDK. Either way I don't think the TO differential is enough to offset the rest of the stats.

Per 40 minutes Jenifer leads Cane by 2.4 turnovers. Cane leads by 1.8 rebounds, 1.6 steals, 1.1 assists, and 6.7 points. When you add all that up Cane is plus 8.8 overall. I don't care as much if we use him off the bench for scoring pop...but he needs to be on the court more unless there is something we aren't privy to which there probably is.
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Old 01-16-2018, 02:59 PM   #1834
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I don't know how else to explain the lack of minutes. Most every sign points to Cane being the better option except turnovers. He seems to do everything else better. The turnovers have come down since the start of the season. I think the way he plays means he is going to have some...can we live with it?

My short answer is yes...if the team plays better overall...hell yes!

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Really don't think there is more to it. He uses Cane in a variety of roles. JJ can't give him that option. That is why on this team he uses him like he does. Cane has a very important role on this team even if he isn't starting.
Just because he is filling roles as you say doesn't mean we can't get him 30 minutes. If he has more roles we should see more minutes.
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I don't know how else to explain the lack of minutes. Most every sign points to Cane being the better option except turnovers. He seems to do everything else better. The turnovers have come down since the start of the season. I think the way he plays means he is going to have some...can we live with it?

My short answer is yes...if the team plays better overall...hell yes!
The ankle thing didn't help. But we have time to get him revved up.
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The ankle thing didn't help. But we have time to get him revved up.
Agreed...that was a set back that didn't help. I think tonight is another prime opportunity for Cane to make a statement.
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Just because he is filling roles as you say doesn't mean we can't get him 30 minutes. If he has more roles we should see more minutes.
If the game dictates that I'm sure you will.
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Just because he is filling roles as you say doesn't mean we can't get him 30 minutes. If he has more roles we should see more minutes.
Coach obviously feels better with Cane filling those roles then he does with JJ doing it. I understand what he is doing and why. That is why I have know issue with it. Having a guy like Cane coming off the bench is a big advantage.
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Bill Self on the ESPN Campus Conversation podcast. Interesting to hear him talk about recruiting and the value of veterans.
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