Furman

[TheLivingLegend]

Originally Posted by skyblade

I don't see how you look back and see Rap having two solid games. He was bad enough in the first two games that Brannen took him out of the starting lineup and stopped playing him at the 4. His defense has been bad every game.

Rap has had two bad games and a terrible one. Thus far it doesn't look like he should be playing at this level.

And harvey has had a year of dud...

[waterhead]

Originally Posted by JoeRunner89

Yupp. Too it makes a lot of sense, these guys just don't jump out at me. For some reason I could look at Gary, Kieth, Caupain and be like these guys are going to be solid we can win with them they may even get a sniff at the league. Its something about this saunders kid that just isn't resonating too me I don't knw maybe it's all that blonde hair and spuratic rushed play hes bringing to the table. I mean, Cumberland did have a mohawk but at least he had an attitudish mystic about him, if we were playing pick up 5 just off eye test who would you pick? I just get a silly vibe from dude I never would of recruited these guys. I like fremantle and that other transfer Xavier got tho, you know the one that checked in and immediately knocked down a 3.. Our guys are looking like "the replacements" awkward in regards to past guys we used to recruit as of right now I'm not seeing or feeling a NBA pipeline, I feel like were in a lump with all the other programs now I'm not sure what our identity is as a program right now

What in the world does hair color or style have anything to do with this?

[skyblade]

Originally Posted by Jon Rycek

So you think 5/9 11pts, 6 rbs is terrible, he’s shooting 54% on the year, avg 5 rbs. His defensive isn’t good but he is certainly a productive enough piece on offense. You act like he’s terrible but Diarra is still playing pretty well..

His plus/minus was -12 against Furman because his defense was horrible. Stats don't measure defense, I don't deny that he has looked reasonably good (though not as good as expected) on offense, but I don't care how many points a guy scores if he gives up more.

Brannen has obviously already taken notice, he took Rap out as a starter and stopped playing Rap at the 4. Unfortunately (so far at least), he is even worse at the 5 defensively than he is at the 4.

Diarra played better than Rap against Furman. Diarra has his own issue, but if Rap continues to play like he has, Diarra should be getting the majority of backup minutes at the 5.

[TheRealMick]

Eason needs go for dunks instead of layups.

[cincyguy13]

Originally Posted by JoeRunner89

Yupp. Too it makes a lot of sense, these guys just don't jump out at me. For some reason I could look at Gary, Kieth, Caupain and be like these guys are going to be solid we can win with them they may even get a sniff at the league. Its something about this saunders kid that just isn't resonating too me I don't knw maybe it's all that blonde hair and spuratic rushed play hes bringing to the table. I mean, Cumberland did have a mohawk but at least he had an attitudish mystic about him, if we were playing pick up 5 just off eye test who would you pick? I just get a silly vibe from dude I never would of recruited these guys. I like fremantle and that other transfer Xavier got tho, you know the one that checked in and immediately knocked down a 3.. Our guys are looking like "the replacements" awkward in regards to past guys we used to recruit as of right now I'm not seeing or feeling a NBA pipeline, I feel like were in a lump with all the other programs now I'm not sure what our identity is as a program right now

You should be a recruiter, schools would pay big money for a guy that can see these things after 2 minutes of gameplay or even zero minutes of play in masons case.

[cincyguy13]

Originally Posted by waterhead

What in the world does hair color or style have anything to do with this?

That’s part of his analysis. It’s a very complicated, well thought out system.

[cincyguy13]

Originally Posted by skyblade

I want to see guys contribute more points than they give up. I don't care if that is 2 to 0 or 50 to 48. I know that is hard to judge because you can't just look at just their play, but how they impact those around them.

Rap has a ton of defensive breakdowns, he makes Vogt look like a good defensive center. If Rap were anywhere near as bad on the offensive end as he is on defense, nobody would want to play him. He commits bad fouls, isn't a good rebounder and had a number of mental breakdowns (such as charging the guy who we are letting shoot threes and giving him an easy drive - twice in a period of less than 5 minutes). He would need to be a star on the offensive end to make up for how bad he is on defense and thus far he is not.

I dislike Vogt, but I've still said that he would be reasonable as a backup, he just shouldn't be a starter. Rap has not belonged on the court and has been especially bad at center.

You say this, but also want dou to play. A guy that when he is in the game, the coach that sees him play everyday, feels like we need to play a 1-3-1 when he is in the game. Because he is so lost.

[skyblade]

Originally Posted by cincyguy13

You say this, but also want dou to play. A guy that when he is in the game, the coach that sees him play everyday, feels like we need to play a 1-3-1 when he is in the game. Because he is so lost.

He doesn't play the 1-3-1 because Diarra is in the game, he brings Diarra into the game to play the 1-3-1. It is something we practice and play because of Diarra's unique size/athleticism as a way to throw teams out of rhythm (though I'd debate it's effectiveness because we give up corner threes and don't rebound well out of it).

[cincyguy13]

Originally Posted by skyblade

He doesn't play the 1-3-1 because Diarra is in the game, he brings Diarra into the game to play the 1-3-1. It is something we practice and play because of Diarra's unique size/athleticism as a way to throw teams out of rhythm (though I'd debate it's effectiveness because we give up corner threes and don't rebound well out of it).

I don’t think that’s true

[waterhead]

Originally Posted by cincyguy13

You say this, but also want dou to play. A guy that when he is in the game, the coach that sees him play everyday, feels like we need to play a 1-3-1 when he is in the game. Because he is so lost.

Well let's hope Eason solves a big portion of both of these issues. If he can get in the 30 mpg range soon that would help a lot. Then we have a lot less exposure to Rap and Diara. I think we will see Vogt and Eason for 25-30 mpg and then Rap and Diara about 10 mpg before too long. Davenport will play some 4 as well.